Please make the in-game Au Ra (Males) more muscular, reflective of the Artwork

An option to bulk up s'more is all that's needed.

And a scaly-face option would be nice but that would just be a nice consolation...

Their body type IS ridiculously similar to Elezen.

Could use some protein drank & a core workout.

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Originally Posted by Terin

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I <3 Terin.

See, the artwork of the Au Ra looks quite a lot different from the Highlanders, to me. Highlanders are very lean, but not altogether "more muscular" than Midlanders, as the proportions are much the same. I don't have a problem with Highlanders, of than many of the shared animations are still a little effeminate to me (which, to be fair, is part of what makes Hildibrand so charming). The Au Ra in the artwork has even broader shoulders, but a thin waist, which I think would give them a pretty unique silhouette.

Also, Renik; I think it's a bit hypocritical to claim that people support the in-game Au Ra, but then scold me for pointing out that others prefer the artwork. It's clear that there are supporters on both sides of the fence (as well as people that will be happy either way, and others who won't care either way).

The reason I say that it's *better* to have variety is because, from a game-design point of view, variety is hugely important in MMO's. In all honesty, we have quite a lot of variety already, but Lalafell and Roegadyn being such extreme body-types, I think there's still a lot of room to "fill in the gaps". Again, from a purely-logical point of view, the game would really benefit from something super-effeminate (as some have voiced, wishing for more of a "male Yugiri"), and something smaller than Roegadyn. It is for that reason, I think the artwork Au Ra is a *better* option, because it helps round-out the options a little more.

I'm not trying to say my preferences are any more important than yours. From the big-picture, though, the game *needs* a slightly-larger race, which I've been saying since the ARR Beta.

EDIT: For the record, I honestly do respect your opinion. I don't really agree, but as said, it's a board for discussion, and if nothing else, we're covering both points of view very well. Regardless of which direction the Devs go with the Au Ra, I don't think anyone would ever accuse us of not being passionate :P

Tell me Terin, why can't you just ask for an option instead of trying to enforce it? BigPapaSmurf made a thread asking for an option to have them fully scaled, and i liked it, i won't be using that option, but i liked the post because having options is always a good thing.

If they are in time to change them, they can also make it an option or make one of the clans more muscular to please both sides, if i'm being aggressive towards you, it's because you want to enforce the change for everyone else. It has be proposed in the thread several times, and you still ask for a mandatory change instead.

I've said many times in this thread, I totally support additional options. I just know that the other races don't have that much customization, and I don't think they would treat one race as being so special. If they're willing to add more options, though, I'm happy to have them!

Assuming the possess similar limits of customization as the other races, though, then I believe they should be made closer to the artwork. You claim that I'm "forcing the change upon others", when the reality is that NOBODY is an Au Ra yet. They don't exist yet, so nothing is being forced onto anybody. We were shown two different interpretations of the Au Ra; the in-game renders, and the artwork. I prefer the artwork, you prefer the in-game depiction, but neither exists in the game. There's nothing wrong with us have different opinions, but don't act like I'm somehow affecting people negatively, when we don't even have a race to play as yet. That's why I'm suggesting this now, as opposed to after they've been released.

But there's a finalized work, the 3d model shown is already made, and the gear is already adjusted for them, because, you don't do that in a few months, even if you see them similar to elezen, they are not, their proportions and sizes are different, and this requires adjusts on every piece of gear. what is not made already is all the work to make them look more similar to the art, it's not one or another, if the can adjust the gear and the model to make them more muscular, they can as well use the already finished work.

I don't know if you're familiarized with game development, but at this point they must be in the testing and localization phases, what was shown in the fanfest is the final product, but this doesn't meant the can't add another option if they want.

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Originally Posted by Renik

But there's a finalized work, the 3d model shown is already made, and the gear is already adjusted for them, because, you don't do that in a few months, even if you see them similar to elezen, they are not, their proportions and sizes are different, and this requires adjusts on every piece of gear. what is not made already is all the work to make them look more similar to the art, it's not one or another, if the can adjust the gear and the model to make them more muscular, they can as well use the already finished work.

I don't know if you're familiarized with game development, but at this point they must be in the testing and localization phases, what was shown in the fanfest is the final product, but this doesn't meant the can't add another option if they want.

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I understand what you are saying.. and you are right.. they are finished as a race..

But for me they are a huge disappointment.. we dont need an other "muscular" huge race..

Male elezen are tall, Highlander male are tall, Roegadnys are tall and so now the Au Ra males..
and the males dont even fit very well to the females..


I kind of wished we get a race of a size between hyur (humans) and lalafells.. like the padjals.. they are smaller than hyur.. but much bigger than lalafells..


as i already posted before:

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

We need effiminate males.. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...male_Au_Ra.jpg
(imagine with scales on, different horns and white/red eyes) http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...E-Sumi-Yan.png
/edit something like *lol* ... :
http://www.bilder-upload.eu/upload/7...1422835289.jpghttp://www.bilder-upload.eu/upload/9...1422835305.jpg http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...aGeomancer.png

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Au Ra males almost look like a copy cat (concerning body stature) from highlanders/elezen... nothing really new.. its a pitty.. and a missed chance.. we wont get a new race that fast..


i mean.. for what do we need an almost self sized race like that??
http://i.imgur.com/V0qbjEt.png

It's possible to adjust things without having to alter every piece of gear. It's not like they custom-animate every piece of gear for every single animation on every single race; a lot of that stuff is tied to the model's skeleton, and it's relatively easy in some cased to make adjustments. That's not to say it's completely trivial to alter the model, but probably not as much work as you're implying (although I can't be 100% sure, as I don't know what kind of tools their animators are working work).

There's no doubt, the model shown at Fanfest was late in development, but it definitely wasn't final. For one, they always use the disclaimer "this stuff may not be finalized", but there was a video where the horns weren't totally attached to their head, so it wasn't "finished" then. The amount of change I'm suggesting is fairly minor, but would have a profound impact on their silhouette.

@Tonkra: Like I said, it wouldn't be my first pick, but I definitely agree, the game needs a race like that. I'm almost positive the next expansion will have something almost exactly like you're suggesting, with the except of dragon-themed features. More likely, I would bank money on the Padjal being playable, or something very similar.

I wonder if the Au Ra WAR AF will have four horns on the helmet...

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You have misunderstood my post, the OP wants them more muscular, i was saying we can have the current one and the more muscular version, because i want the one already shown.

I'm not against what you ask, would gladly play a gria or a padjal, honestly, they please me at the same level Au Ra does.

It's not too late to apply a few changes to add another option, but making a smaller race now would require about a year of work, i encourage you opening a thread to gather feedback to make this race the next one.

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Originally Posted by Terin

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If they don't adjust the gear you would see chunks of meat clipping with the armor, it takes a lot of work, but it can be achieved if the modeling team has enough manpower available for it.

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Originally Posted by Renik

It's not too late to apply a few changes to add another option, but making a smaller race now would require about a year of work, i encourage you opening a thread to gather feedback to make this race the next one.

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well i think the Au Ra could have been that race... not gria... still "Au Ra" but the males with the same size as the female version..

im really not happy about the males.. the players who want to play a muscular race already have highlander and roeg. this male Au Ra version is completely unnecessary, especially with almost the same size as elezen. (picture above)

but well.. different opinions and tastes. SE cant please everyone. but im slightly disappointed.. especially because the females look awesome and filigrane