Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

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Originally Posted by Worm

I don't know why you keep bringing up WoW a game that for the majority of it's life had raid gear on vendors.


No defending and supporting this ridiculous "what ever must be done" forum Fatwah is what makes you a bad person. I mean I assume you think it's fair game to lie about EQ2 being a subscription based game, right? Afterall there's no 'right or wrong' if you can slip in a little untruth to make your hot internet opinion seem hotter, no one gets hurt in the end right?


Edit: I love how there is good people and Ted Bundy in your world. You're just a plain old jerk. That's all.

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Where do I defend the evidence that he used to make that point? Go quote it and I will apologize. Otherwise, you are just making shit up.

Grasp at straws all you like. Call me all the names you like. P2P and some F2P games gives the best and most powerful rewards to people who do the highest level of content. It's par for the course and you're defending some ass backward logic.

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Originally Posted by cryptic_angel

Where do I defend the evidence that he used to make that point? Go quote it and I will apologize. Otherwise, you are just making shit up.

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I love how you are complaining about tired forum rhetoric while asking me to show you the Internet evidence. You stepped in on my most well deserved tongue lashing of someone who was misrepresenting facts and made a reply about how there's "No right or wrong". I mean maybe you just don't care about misrepresentation if the person agrees you, afterall you are doing your damnedest to save MMOs.

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Originally Posted by cryptic_angel

Call me all the names you like.

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Well let me remind you word-in-mouth-putter you were the one who originally decided I was trying to suggest you were Ted Bundy, I just corrected your assumption.

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Originally Posted by cryptic_angel

P2P and some F2P games gives the best and most powerful rewards to people who do the highest level of content. It's par for the course and you're defending some ass backward logic.

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Well yeah at first, but eventually after a few patches those rewards are opened up to more and more people. That's the par for the course. Flipping out about upgraded tokens is just an aspect of you wanting to stir up shit and signal boost your raid ideas to the devs(which they'll probably never listen to).

Honestly I agree with a lot of what you say, but not how you say it. I also don't think anyone should be getting this damn upset about some upgrade tokens. Putting them on hunts was a bad idea but it's not worth embarrassing yourself over. Have fun arguing though.

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Originally Posted by Freyah

omg! I have that minion - had it a few days now ;3
Just running it for the casters belt and the oil ( can't be bothered with the casters helm it look yukky ( imo ), others will disagree ;p

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You lucky... D: I've only seen that thing drop once, and I only rolled a 40 on it... Personally I'm primarily interested in the healer boots, on SCH I'm -still- using a pair of HQ pentameld i70's I crafted for myself months ago...

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Originally Posted by Worm

Huh? But 251 dropped inside a raid.

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And it wasn't the highest ilvl gear from top end content of the time. That's what you're missing. The "welfare" gear as some like to call it was never on the same level as the best gear you could get.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_level In fact it was pretty much the bottom end for raiding of that time.

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Originally Posted by Worm

Well yeah at first, but eventually after a few patches those rewards are opened up to more and more people. That's the par for the course. Flipping out about upgraded tokens is just an aspect of you wanting to stir up shit and signal boost your raid ideas to the devs(which they'll probably never listen to).

Honestly I agree with a lot of what you say,but not how you say it. I also don't think anyone should be getting this damn upset about some upgrade tokens. Putting them on hunts was a bad idea but it's not worth embarrassing yourself over. Have fun arguing though.

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It's a matter of the reward schedule. Every sane high end raider know their current "Carrot" becomes much easier to obtain when new raids come out. This is not the situation we have going on here. The raiding carrot, as it pertains to gear, is only a weapon. This is happening while the raid in question is the highest level of content available.

SE could mail people ilvl110 gear for all I care, once a new raid tier is out.

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Originally Posted by ispano

And it wasn't the highest ilvl gear from top end content of the time. That's what you're missing. The "welfare" gear as some like to call it was never on the same level as the best gear you could get.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_level In fact it was pretty much the bottom end for raiding of that time.

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This is pretty much it right here.

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

You lucky... D: I've only seen that thing drop once, and I only rolled a 40 on it... Personally I'm primarily interested in the healer boots, on SCH I'm -still- using a pair of HQ pentameld i70's I crafted for myself months ago...

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Did 3 runs earlier 1 had the minion, another 2 had unidentified tome and the other a oil. Those healing boots sure drop quite a lot from what I've seen so far ( seen the whole set drop on a single run ) and I think the minion's contained in the extra chest that sometimes spawns ( sure someone will correct me on this ) and doesn't count toward your weekly loot lockout should you win it.

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Originally Posted by cryptic_angel

It's a matter of the reward schedule. Every sane high end raider know their current "Carrot" becomes much easier to obtain when new raids come out. This is not the situation we have going on here. The raiding carrot, as it pertains to gear, is only a weapon. This is happening while the raid in question is the highest level of content available.

SE could mail people ilvl110 gear for all I care, once a new raid tier is out.



This is pretty much it right here.

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I can't believe you're so blind as to look at the hunt reward schedule in comparison to the REST of FFXIV and assume it's functioning exactly as intended as oppopsed to a mistake that they will rectify with the next level of tiered content.

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Originally Posted by ispano

And it wasn't the highest ilvl gear from top end content of the time. That's what you're missing. The "welfare" gear as some like to call it was never on the same level as the best gear you could get.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_level In fact it was pretty much the bottom end for raiding of that time.

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This x 10,000. It's not that they are giving away free gear...they are giving away free gear too early. If they had waited until 2.4 was released to do this then no one would be complaining.

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Originally Posted by Freyah

Did 3 runs earlier 1 had the minion, another 2 had unidentified tome and the other a oil. Those healing boots sure drop quite a lot from what I've seen so far ( seen the whole set drop on a single run ) and I think the minion's contained in the extra chest that sometimes spawns ( sure someone will correct me on this ) and doesn't count toward your weekly loot lockout should you win it.

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I can confirm the "doesn't count toward weekly loot lockout" part, it dropped today and there was no text indicating that it would lock you out if you rolled on it.

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Originally Posted by Freyah

Did 3 runs earlier 1 had the minion, another 2 had unidentified tome and the other a oil. Those healing boots sure drop quite a lot from what I've seen so far ( seen the whole set drop on a single run ) and I think the minion's contained in the extra chest that sometimes spawns ( sure someone will correct me on this ) and doesn't count toward your weekly loot lockout should you win it.

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Right, I knew about that. I've yet to see the boots drop though even once, and this is my second week of Syrcus runs. (First week I panicked a little and ended up greeding on a pair of Phlegethon gauntlets... only to discover I was the only one who did. And then the UAT -and- Oil dropped on the same run. :<) I just mean I've only seen the minion drop once -ever- so far and I rolled really poorly on it.