People need to speak up more for Alchemist buff.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

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I agree. The issue is two fold: 1) They are too readily available through means other than the Alchemist and 2) They aren't necessary for most people to clear content (do not read this as not useful).

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Originally Posted by Mikara

Because they aren't worth it, from a money stand point and a performance stand point. They are really sub-par for what they do, and yes, I do have HQ DEX pots on my bar for bard. Half the time I have to argue with myself if I should even bother because it's simply money down the drain to make a fight take about four seconds less than what it would if I didn't use it. As far as HP/MP pots are concerned, they aren't worth it unless they had maybe 1.5-2x the effect. At least not with the current cool down they have.

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Four seconds off of a 5 minute boss fight is nothing, I agree. Four seconds off of a 30 sec DPS race is the difference between wiping and progressing, or having a limit break for a later phase.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

If potions can't save us in a time of need and the dev team doesn't want us to have to rely on them, why bother having them?

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But potions CAN save us in a time of need. I have had that happen, and potions have saved me. Admittedly, I don't use stat potions, but I use Hi-elixirs and X-ethers quite frequently on my WHM for those 'oh-shit' moments.

The latter half of your statement can be directed at food as well. We don't need to rely on them, why bother having them? Because food and potions are meant to be supplementary tools, not mandatory tools.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Sounds like you don't care about contributing to your group as much as you should.

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Plez tell me how much I should care. I am very interest.

@Crevox if Alchemy is that good and you use that many potions. Then why have you not leveled it to save you large amounts of gil ?

He many not have enough time?
But you obviously have enough to stalk Lodestone character sheets. His arguments are correct. Some of the cd's are off, some potencials could be upped a bit, but that doesn't make his arguments obsolet.
If you don't use them, fine. If your groups struggles and you don't use them, not fine.

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Originally Posted by Feilina

He many not have enough time?
But you obviously have enough to stalk Lodestone character sheets. His arguments are correct. Some of the cd's are off, some potencials could be upped a bit, but that doesn't make his arguments obsolet.
If you don't use them, fine. If your groups struggles and you don't use them, not fine.

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I have plenty of time thanks. As for stalking I am not the one with 469 posts :P

HQ X-Potions and Hi-Elixirs can easily turn the tide in PvP. The same can be said about Regain Feathers/Icarus Wings or Mega Stat pots.

However, very few people PvP. Among those who do, even fewer have ALC leveled and they understandably don't want to blow through 1-5 HQ pots a game. It's definitely my most used craft at this point.

to add to this arguement, I did go and try some of the potions....some still aren't all that useful. Some are.


the best i could find were HQ Mega potions. For VIT, my iLVL 80 WAR i used a food buff, joined a party for the buff, turned on Defiance, and popped thrill of battle. I don't remember exactly but my HP at this point was 9400-9600. Then used a HQ Mega VIT. 10777 HP. HQ made all the difference. I did not have any HQ Mind available, but still had NQ Mega Mind. After using Divine seal i cast a couple cures. all within the 1400-1600 range. then used the Mind potion with DS still on. It boosted it to about 200 more on average. So not nearly the same boost i saw from my VIT potion earlier. I can do another test with HQ should i finally get ahold of some. After experimenting with several of them I can see where some of these would be OP with the cooldown lessened, or the benefits buffed. But others may still need some adjustment to have some sort of equal use. So, I apologize earlier as I had used them in the past, but never actually looked at numbers and conducted much of a test. But I'd highly recommend that tanks have HQ Mega VIT with them. That was the first time I got my HP over 10K.

I was unable to find any X-VIT or X-Mind. I see that they had entries for them in the market board, but did not see any for sale. Not sure if this is for any particular reason, but i could see better use in X if i could find some

My real complain about potions is that "boost" and "restoration" pots have the same cooldown.
If only these two types would have different timers I would start using them more often.

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Originally Posted by TyloRime

So basically you're saying "We know Alchemy isn't very functional, but we like it that way."

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So I guess hoping for any meaningful changed to Alchemy is going to be a waste or words. And also, what this guy stated. I leveled Alchemy because usually when it comes to crafts in MMO's (and this is in general) that Cooking/Alchemy are usually the long standing money makers because of what they are. But I guess in this game, leveling Alchemy is only useful for Tricks of the Trade, and Comfort Zone. Nice to know I almost literally did waste my time leveling Alchemy. Since SE doesn't want to make Potions (HP/MP/Stat) Potions Viable for everyone to use, I guess that is where I should be going. I truly hate to say it, I have loved this game since my friend gave me a beta key, and loved it through the horrible Early Access and the first starting months, now I guess, that my time was wasted, I should stop wasting more time.