Instanced Raids Unveiled!

When someone does a stupid thing, you call them on it.

You don't keep calling them on it for the rest of their life.

is it just me or do the dungeons and armor look familiar?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Welcome to being wrong.

The area shown in that movie..

1: looks nothing like what's shown in the pictures
2: is not in any way near camp dragonhead.

So no, we saw absolutely nothing of the new dungeons besides two low resolution pictures that look nothing like the current dungeons.

Next please.



It's not "making excuses". It's debunking silly, baseless assumptions made of nothhing and biased to the extreme.
And yes, that's quite helpful by definition.

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he didnt link the right one, but i did see the right one in some other thread with a taru. I like the look of the dungeon, but its not like they made it new, they just populated/unlocked it. And thats fine its still somewhat new. new mobs would have been nice but i wont be surprised if it contains nothing thats not already in the client

finally, mages getting our first r50 endgame weapon

still wanna see another endgame gears for mages (lame vintage robes are not count)

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Originally Posted by Physic

he didnt link the right one, but i did see the right one in some other thread with a taru. I like the look of the dungeon, but its not like they made it new, they just populated/unlocked it. And thats fine its still somewhat new. new mobs would have been nice but i wont be surprised if it contains nothing thats not already in the client

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But you are still just speculating. You have no idea if they are making use of the space in the game or putting a new space in.

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Originally Posted by Reaux

I agree with the video being wrong and not judging the dungeon layout itself til it comes out or we get more SC's. But, it's not debunking because that requires scientific evidence or minimal deviation of pattern.

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It's debunking because the pictures showed look nothing like the dungeons we are currently playing on. Ergo the usual, baseless and biased whines have no reason to be.

The pattern you're describing is your own, personal interpretation, and has really little to do with realistic game development.

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Originally Posted by Randis

is it just me or do the dungeons and armor look familiar?

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it's reskinned mobs/maps/armor, disappointment as per usual

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Originally Posted by Focant

Certainly SE is to blame for the current state of the game. They rushed it out and didn't really listen to beta testers. However how are they now, after all that has occurred, after the development team was shuffled around in a very public way, to blame for the way people behave? They've made fairly detailed posts on what they plan to do in the future and even go on to mention how they have no set time tables for several of those developments. They reveal things as they're ready to be and occasionally put out things to wet the appetites of the rabid fanbase, but as far as I know they've never played off any patch, any development, as something utterly game saving. Everything has been put out as a small step to some ultimate goal. Not everything they do is gold, sure, but they aren't entirely to blame for the roller coaster of hype and disappointment that so many on these boards seem to go through time and time again.

I don't think SE is infallible. I have my own doubts about how well they can implement change in this game. I do, however, try to be sympathetic to their position and the amount of work that's laid out before them. I want to see this game succeed and as such am willing to offer feedback and attempt to stave off any emotional and baseless ranting against literally everything SE does. The amount of SE bashing I've seen lately just bothers me. The fanbase is like an abusive boyfriend at times and it makes no sense to me. ._.

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The SE bashing isn't just in the forums and it;s not JUST because of FFXIV. It is in every major gaming medium. Since the merger anything not Dragon Quest has been a flop with the exception of remakes. This is a series of mistakes that have disenchanted people so it is not baseless saying that they will disappoint because they keep disappointing. As a major corporation they deserve no sympathy, they are in this to make money and they don't feel bad when they release something sub-par to us. I offer constructive non-emotional whiney feedback in the proper forums. but that doesn't we can't also voice disappointment/joy/concern of which I do.

Ex: Dungeons = yay
New Gear = yay
New Battle system = Well, could be fun but I don't like having to relearn my job and all the new ways the skills will be because basically what we have now is a placeholder til they finish testing whatever they have. But I better look cute in the BLM outfit they posted months ago.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Question - What does RAID mean? I thought it was when you have large number or people (usually more than your regular party like Dynamis in FFXI) does 4 people + 8 people limit dungeons actually considered RAID?

I know if you do those large scale RAID dungeons with fewer people than it normally takes then sure, it still can be considered since the dungeon itself is still made for RAID... I dunno, to me it don't feel right when SE says RAID and being only 4-8 people.

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Originally Posted by Reaux

raid
   
–noun
1.
a sudden assault or attack, as upon something to be seized or suppressed: a police raid on a gambling ring.
2.
Military . a sudden attack on the enemy, as by air or by a small land force.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

LOL I mean in a MMO - but anyways going with yours, so does 4-8 raid qualify for these? w 4 military guys taking out 100's of mobs, or even 1-4 people taking down 100 mobs in a dungeon considered raid?

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Let's look at the word "guild". In a typical "Western" MMO, a guild is a group of players sharing common goals. In FFXIV, a guild is an organization of craftspeople devoted to promoting and regulating a specific craft skill. In the real world, a guild is a group of craftspeople devoted to promoting and regulating a specific trade.

Definition 2 actually fits very well- a sudden attack on the enemy by a small land force. The nature of a raid is to accomplish a specific objective, and the attackers generally go in, do what they're there to do, and get out.

Because FFXIV is developed in a different language, we shouldn't expect what we consider standard MMO terminology to apply. Instead, what we have is words that had been co-opted by earlier MMOs being used with their original meanings as a consequence of translation.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

it's reskinned mobs/maps/armor, disappointment as per usual

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Which is, by the way, not true. Spreading misleading information as per usual.

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Originally Posted by Reaux

The SE bashing isn't just in the forums and it;s not JUST because of FFXIV. It is in every major gaming medium. Since the merger anything not Dragon Quest has been a flop with the exception of remakes. This is a series of mistakes that have disenchanted people so it is not baseless saying that they will disappoint because they keep disappointing. As a major corporation they deserve no sympathy, they are in this to make money and they don't feel bad when they release something sub-par to us.

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I offer constructive non-emotional whiney feedback in the proper forums.

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The two halves above are in clear contradiction.