1 click Turn 2 strat broken?

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

They did try and fix turn 3 a bit. Mobs keep on following you and seem to have a bit better pathing than previously.. and some mobs that previously didn't aggro at all (we use to call them derpy birds) now do. I also won't be surprised if (in the future) they make it so you have to defeat the golems prior to interacting with the terminal that activates the jump platform.

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They should do just that. You can't fix one and not the other. People shouldn't be able to run right through.. If this strat is cheap then so is speeding through like sonic in my opinion. We should be forced to fight the trash.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

They should do just that. You can't fix one and not the other. People shouldn't be able to run right through.. If this strat is cheap then so is speeding through like sonic in my opinion. We should be forced to fight the trash.

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And I would agree and say the same of WP speed runs and such.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

We refuse to do it that way because it is lazy.

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So you're restraining your own gameplay by your own choices. If they can't do it, teach them, but it will take time. They know how to do an other way and YOU ask them to do otherwise. You're the one wrong if you can't understand that they won't suddenly be good in the old school way (no disrespect intended.)

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

So as I said it does indeed diminish my gameplay and it leaves me very concerned about what other people do. Everyone in this thread argues this is a viable strategy and people should let others do what they want.Here I stand up and say we don't want to do it that way and it's hindering my ability to use pugs. Now you pop up and argue I should just cave and do it this way instead of the way we want? The unbelievable amount of hypocrisy in this thread is staggering.

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You're the one being hypocrit when you say it's hindering your PUG possibilities. Without that method, you wouldn't have any more possibilities to PUG because these "non skilled" people wouldn't be able to clear it anyway. The method hasn't changed anything, except that people now get more chance to gear in il90 and thus get some more damage/health to achieve the old school way.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

The method hasn't changed anything, except that people now get more chance to gear in il90 and thus get some more damage/health to achieve the old school way.

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The thing is, gear alone isn't enough to teach people the mechanics. You can have a full ilvl 90 party wipe to HM Titan if they don't know how to dodge plumes. Or, alternatively, you can have a skilled group clear something like Extreme Garuda at the low duty-finder ilvl of the mid-60's if they're on their game. The groups that rely on the enrage mechanic to clear T2 are, frankly, being cheated out of the ability to learn the proper mechanics, and are put into an unfavorable position when it comes to the coil or extreme mode primals. And the pug groups that pick them up and wipe repeatedly are the casualties of this pattern.

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Originally Posted by Yoten

The thing is, gear alone isn't enough to teach people the mechanics. You can have a full ilvl 90 party wipe to HM Titan if they don't know how to dodge plumes. Or, alternatively, you can have a skilled group clear something like Extreme Garuda at the low duty-finder ilvl of the mid-60's if they're on their game. The groups that rely on the enrage mechanic to clear T2 are, frankly, being cheated out of the ability to learn the proper mechanics, and are put into an unfavorable position when it comes to the coil or extreme mode primals. And the pug groups that pick them up and wipe repeatedly are the casualties of this pattern.

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having more il-90 gear allows more room for mistakes lag-related or just reflex-related. It allows those who actually want to learn to get a more comfortable background to learn the fight than just a "error => wipe" like it is against Titan HM (I dunno yet how unforgiving it is for the EX primals). If people are unwilling to learn, then you can pick others. There are plenty who are seeking statics.

I can't believe that people are really saying that this is just "creative use" of mechanics while maintaining that they're not making an already easy fight laughable. Do it however you want, but at least admit you're doing it because you can't coordinate with other players and that you cannot step out of a red line. Good luck in the new Extremes.

Edit: I feel bad for players with legitimate ISP issues, but there's really no excuse for those without said issues.

Actually i was looking around the party finder these few days, even japanese are looking for parties to do this run.