Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Ewer makes it possible. Practical is another story.

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Also as a lala with an extra 13 piety + hq max ether you can do a 7 x fire in opener

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Originally Posted by itti18

as far as i know its not possible to do 7 f4s

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I have over 310 Piety. More if I have a SCH/AST with me. Very tight but it can be done. Did it on Cuchulainn the other day.

And I don't need a potion either.

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Originally Posted by itti18

as far as i know its not possible to do 7 f4s

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It's possible to do 8 before you refresh Enochian. Basically 2 rotations of F3 > F4x4 > B3.

Not really practical though, you have to front load everything before casting and movement sends the whole thing out the window.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I have over 310 Piety. More if I have a SCH/AST with me. Very tight but it can be done. Did it on Cuchulainn the other day.

And I don't need a potion either.

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Its not practical in a raid scenario. The extra F4 doesn't outweigh the loss in secondary/primary stat as well as the potential thundercloud procs imo. I would be interested to see it in action in Midas Savage though.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Its not practical in a raid scenario. The extra F4 doesn't outweigh the loss in secondary/primary stat as well as the potential thundercloud procs imo. I would be interested to see it in action in Midas Savage though.

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I figure if you get lucky with TC procs while in UI phase then go ham with those. It's always nice to get a chain of 10 TC procs in a row.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

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True, but as SS increases, the time shaved off by swiftcasting Fire III decreases. At the same time, the hardcast ogcd time stays the same. At base SS, Fire IV hardcast and (hard)swift + Fire IV are the same potency, but as you get more spellspeed, the hardswift Fire IV becomes less potent. There is a gain from hardcasting swiftcast so you can weave another ogcd, but the same gain could be gotten by weaving swiftcast at another point in your rotation, or better yet saving it for planned movement. The gain in the given example is made even less by Ley Lines and other party speed buffs. I'd go so far as to say that with any Arrow card except expanded, that hardcasting swiftcast is even a loss (I'll math it out later). In any case, it's better to use swiftcast while NOT under the effect of Ley Lines, and even better to use it to get an extra Fire IV in lieu of a Scathe during long periods of movement if you don't have a proc.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I figure if you get lucky with TC procs while in UI phase then go ham with those. It's always nice to get a chain of 10 TC procs in a row.

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Just don't use all of them at once.

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Originally Posted by daman4567

In any case, it's better to use swiftcast while NOT under the effect of Ley Lines, and even better to use it to get an extra Fire IV in lieu of a Scathe during long periods of movement if you don't have a proc.

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Then again, if you know something like that is coming, you should be saving your Swift anyway.

the opener ive been using for a8s is f3 start - > 4x fire4 (fs) 2x fire4 because it lines up seed + megabeam with firestarter very nicely and allows you to save your swift for execution add.
also i have a question about cd alignment for blm. is it worth it to hold 3rd leylines for raging if your second leylines is late due to forced downtime (a7 jail, a6 in between bosses, boost in a5, etc), or should I just use rs and convert as soon as raging and my 60 second cooldowns are back up?

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Originally Posted by Waliel

Just don't use all of them at once.

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I'd use them all at once in large 6-9 nine enemy pulls to have every one dotted all at once and go straight to AoE. Stuff died very very quickly. Otherwise try to save a TC until something Thunder'd goes down to 12 seconds.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I'd use them all at once in large 6-9 nine enemy pulls to have every one dotted all at once and go straight to AoE. Stuff died very very quickly. Otherwise try to save a TC until something Thunder'd goes down to 12 seconds.

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Thundercloud becomes a dps loss vs straight AoE spam when the pack gets around 4-5 mobs.