The Monk Temple

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

I missed an attack on Twintania with 471 acc. RNG is RNG.

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Were you attacking from the front when this happened?

It's completely possible to slip too far forward and register a frontal attack against a boss mob in Coil and miss with <478 accuracy. You should only need 458 accuracy when attacking from the side and 435 when attacking from the rear. Since MNK has plenty of side-attack bonuses you should shoot for ~458.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Were you attacking from the front when this happened?

It's completely possible to slip too far forward and register a frontal attack against a boss mob in Coil and miss with <478 accuracy. You should only need 458 accuracy when attacking from the side and 435 when attacking from the rear. Since MNK has plenty of side-attack bonuses you should shoot for ~458.

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^This, I've heard about this numerous times and heard about it from tanks. With close to 480 accuracy they still suffer from occasional misses, makes a lot of sense because tanks spends most of the time fighting the bosses from the front. Also most groups have to position themselves to fight Asclepius from the front a few seconds before the 2nd sets of Dive-Bombs. That could be the reason why most high accuracy misses happened during the Snakes phase.

The miss was on a Disembowel on Twintania after I landed a successful Impulse Drive and before I landed a failed Chaos Thrust and Spineshatter Dive. It's possible I was attacking from the front, but the likelihood is low-ish. There are a number of situations where Twintania turns.

Your 458 and 435 numbers sound absurd. How were those derived?

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Originally Posted by Oblit

I agree but I haven't seen a miss at 464, what if hit rate really caps at 99.999%? That even if you have 485+ accuracy you can still miss? RNG is RNG.

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I've had >482 acc for a while based on gear. I had absolutely 0 misses for about 2 months on any Coil content.

The miss rate is probably trivial for a wide stretch of accuracy levels. However, the damage gained is also pretty trivial. It's obviously less relevant for a Monk since your stance is maintained after a miss, so you can just re-use the ability.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Your 458 and 435 numbers sound absurd. How were those derived?

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Attacking Twinn from the side.

Magic attacks are omnidirectional and require ~435 accuracy to never miss. Attacking Twin from the rear as a physical dps with ~435 accuracy doesn't produce any misses, either. Attacking Twin from the side with 435 accuracy produces a ~5% miss rate (over a thousand attacks). ~458 accuracy produces a miss rate of less than one over a thousand attacks.

Feel free to test it if you want. Same thing with attacking from the front, but the accuracy requirement is higher on the front than on the side (I'm not sure if we ever determined if it was 475 or 478 to never miss from the front, but I can't get my accuracy below 479 with my current gear so it's hard for me to test lesser accuracy amounts.)

So in terms of "derived", you mean this is your personal observation after a large quantity of parsing?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

So in terms of "derived", you mean this is your personal observation after a large quantity of parsing?

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After multiple groups in my guild parsed for hundreds of attempts over thousands of attacks, yes.

Ok. Keeping track of where the target is facing is obnoxious as all hell, but I'll see. My 'minimum'-ish accuracy is basically 44x, so I can tweak to 458 easily enough. Twintania/Asclepius aside, that should result in 100% acc on Caduceus and the others.

*still annoyed at how much Twintania is facing random directions, most notably in the last phase because that leans towards a "greater than side acc cap recommendation".

Tonight I wasn't paying attention to what gear I had on in t2 I missed ADS from flank at 465 accuracy.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

My comment was specific to phase transitions (and I had one yesterday where Titan transitioned, then paused, then re-did his last animation -- the total phase transitions was ~15 seconds -- try to maintain GL through that).

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That is also what I was talking about. I never lose GL except for transitions or dps taking to long on my jail. I also never lose stances except on start of heart phases. GL can be kept up between transitions sometimes but its really hard to pull off and generally not worth the risk if you have even the smallest bit of lag.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Tonight I wasn't paying attention

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You could have stopped right there.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

to what gear I had on in t2 I missed ADS from flank at 465 accuracy.

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But you kept going anyway.