Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

People love to keep mentioning "Other games are popping up and look good"
And so my reaction is, go play them. Its fine!
But I didnt "Imply" anything. Its a simple statement that people weirdly take personally, and get the wrong idea about what Im saying.

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It's because some people have wielded "Go play other games" as a weapon to dismiss the opinions of others before, so that phrase is going to be highly frowned upon by now.

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Originally Posted by Zairava

It may not have been your intent, but it could be taken that way.

I'm not really going to argue with you about what means what though, it doesn't really get us anywhere lol

Nonetheless, yeah. This expansion is by far the weakest of the ones I've been here for, and I'm huffing full on hopium for Dawntrail because I have zero expectations of them displaying that they listened to the feedback with the next criterion to put more focus into DT.

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My Intent is Constantly misunderstood, and misinterpreted. Often Twisted.
I do kind of wish we could chill sometimes. Especially some people who seem to eager to throw down over an opinion XD.
But anyway, you're right, nice to see some Level-Heads around here.

Honestly, Ill say I do expect more of the same in Dawntrail. But I dont think thats a BAd thing really. Just that Jobs need to not feel Bad to play, and they just need to do better on some of their content. I only played Criterion once, liked it, but saw the bad Reward Structure, not surprised it Died.
And I was hyped for the New Deep Dungeon, but was Furious that they did the same thing with Heaven on High and made it only 30 Floors unless you had a Perfect Premade. I didnt even really run Deep Dungeon for any end goal other then it being fun. And I couldnt have that in 30 floors.
Dont know yet what their complete Roadmap is for DT, but I do Hope we dont get the same mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

It's because some people have wielded "Go play other games" as a weapon to dismiss the opinions of others before, so that phrase is going to be highly frowned upon by now.

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And Im really sick of this mentality.....Im not trying to do that at all.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

My Intent is Constantly misunderstood, and misinterpreted. Often Twisted.
I do kind of wish we could chill sometimes. Especially some people who seem to eager to throw down over an opinion XD.
But anyway, you're right, nice to see some Level-Heads around here.

Honestly, Ill say I do expect more of the same in Dawntrail. But I dont think thats a BAd thing really. Just that Jobs need to not feel Bad to play, and they just need to do better on some of their content. I only played Criterion once, liked it, but saw the bad Reward Structure, not surprised it Died.
And I was hyped for the New Deep Dungeon, but was Furious that they did the same thing with Heaven on High and made it only 30 Floors unless you had a Perfect Premade. I didnt even really run Deep Dungeon for any end goal other then it being fun. And I couldnt have that in 30 floors.
Dont know yet what their complete Roadmap is for DT, but I do Hope we dont get the same mistakes.

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I was honestly expecting it to be 30 floors then you'd need premade, if I remember right..they did mention it was going to be more akin to Heaven on High when it was announced.

Outside of not expanding upon DD in Endwalker, the biggest crime was not making it a good way to level up alt jobs imo.

Outside of that, jobs need to feel better to play instead of..whatever their current path is of over-simplifying it, raid buffs need to be spread out again, and content needs to actually have longevity. I was super excited for criterion but then I seen the rewards and was met with complete and utter disappointment and dipped. It's at least good to hear the content itself is great..Now here's hoping they keep it and improve its reward structure instead of removing it to meet their stale formula that desperately needs shaking up.

Also on the hope crew for a field zone with 7.X.

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Originally Posted by Zairava

I was honestly expecting it to be 30 floors then you'd need premade, if I remember right..they did mention it was going to be more akin to Heaven on High when it was announced.

Outside of not expanding upon DD in Endwalker, the biggest crime was not making it a good way to level up alt jobs imo.

Outside of that, jobs need to feel better to play instead of..whatever their current path is of over-simplifying it, raid buffs need to be spread out again, and content needs to actually have longevity. I was super excited for criterion but then I seen the rewards and was met with complete and utter disappointment and dipped. It's at least good to hear the content itself is great..Now here's hoping they keep it and improve its reward structure instead of removing it to meet their stale formula that desperately needs shaking up.

Also on the hope crew for a field zone with 7.X.

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I am still really broken up that EW's Deep Dungeon couldn't be more like Palace of the Dead. I REALLY want another Palace of the dead. But I guess Im just not going to get it.
Good point, thats one more reason why I loved Palace so much, I used it to level all my jobs. Between 30 to 50. I played alot of Palace lol.
Im indifferent to Explore Zones...but if I liked Bozja, I think they can make me like another one. I just wish and hope there could be multiple ways to do a relic instead of just 1 type of Grind.
Bring Relevance back to GCs for Instance, or it would be neat to have reasons to go back into the Open World.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

People love to keep mentioning "Other games are popping up and look good"
And so my reaction is, go play them. Its fine!
But I didnt "Imply" anything. Its a simple statement that people weirdly take personally, and get the wrong idea about what Im saying.

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When can you stop repeating the same lines over and over again ? Hmm ?

It's funny because people like you actually care far less about FF14 than the complainers. You just want everyone to quit and play other games. Complainers actually want to try to salvage the dumpster fire before giving up. Capiche ?

Coming from the guy who keep making threads with repeating tired old arguments such as worst expansion, no content, homogenization, predatory cash shop…etc.

And no. People who RMT with alts don’t care about the game. It’s disingenuous to say they do

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

When can you stop repeating the same lines over and over again ? Hmm ?

It's funny because people like you actually care far less about FF14 than the complainers. You just want everyone to quit and play other games. Complainers actually want to try to salvage the dumpster fire before giving up. Capiche ?

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So can we all agree now that "just play other games" is not a defense of the game then?

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Coming from the guy who keep making threads with repeating tired old arguments such as worst expansion, no content, homogenization, predatory cash shop…etc.

And no. People who RMT with alts don’t care about the game. It’s disingenuous to say they do

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Well if the game dies, there's no one left to RMT.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Well if the game dies, there's no one left to RMT.

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You would be surprised. Plenty of 'dead' mmos still have those markets.

I've been playing this game for like three years now, reaching almost 9000 hours in the game as of today. I came to a realization today when thinking about my time spent in 14.

I remember joining during ShB and being so completely addicted to the game as I made my way through ARR-what was current content at the time. I remember when Bozja came out right when I was just finished catching up with all of the story content which dragged me back in and kept me logging in until Endwalker's launch.

I can't say the same thing for the current expansion. Starting around maybe 6.2-6.3, I started feeling less and less of a pull to log in. That does not mean that I hate the game as a whole and want to stop playing, I still enjoy pvp and working on one or two long-term achievements. However, I feel like there is less to log in for compared to when Bozja was released and it opened up an entirely new map with things to do. I am still doing DRS regularly to this day because I enjoy it so much and nothing in Endwalker has come close to taking its place outside of maybe Criterion.

My main fault with Endwalker lies with the relic grind. I can appreciate the fact that they made it more accessible to people but at the same time, I think it's lacking something "fresh" to keep people who want something to new to sink their teeth into interested (speaking specifically of how every step is just a token grind rather than switching up how the steps work or how they can be completed). It works for people who don't have a lot of time in their day essentially, which is fine. I'm happy for those people.

However, with the recent news of Square's financial status, it does make me question whether or not they'll end up raising sub prices to try to make up some of their losses. If they did, I honestly don't know whether or not I'd be comfortable paying a higher price for what is currently being offered now. I'm hoping Dawntrail shifts things back in a direction where they'll be more willing to take risks and provide more engaging long-term content but I honestly don't know. It just makes me sad to think about how much I used to be in love with this game and now I find myself logging in maybe once or twice a week for some pvp.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

My Intent is Constantly misunderstood, and misinterpreted. Often Twisted.
I do kind of wish we could chill sometimes. Especially some people who seem to eager to throw down over an opinion XD.

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And Im really sick of this mentality.....Im not trying to do that at all.

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They do this every time people make that suggestion. Even after you explain why you said it, they don't care. It's likely something about the forums that will sadly never change.