Shots Fired: A Machinist Guide

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Originally Posted by airshowboat

Is that sustained dps over the whole fight? At what ilvl? that seems to be pretty high. Although if you are wielding a hive weapon and 180 gear it may be exactly where it should be.

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Yes sustained. And i177.

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

Yes sustained. And i177.

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You give me hope :) I bet that Hive weapon adds a nice chunk of dps. Did you use food in those numbers?

I have a question. I'm finding this incredibly odd.

Before patch, at lvl 54, my Wildfire on my opener was hitting 2.4k. And now, it's hitting 1.4k on the opener.

EDIT: Ignore this. Had glamour on, I'm a fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

I have a question. I'm finding this incredibly odd.

Before patch, at lvl 54, my Wildfire on my opener was hitting 2.4k. And now, it's hitting 1.4k on the opener.

EDIT: Ignore this. Had glamour on, I'm a fucking idiot.

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LOL. Glad you found the reason. Also, look forward to that wildfire hitting at 5100+ at 60 ilvl 170+. I've seen it hit for 5500 before.. its pretty sick.

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

Yes sustained. And i177.

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If you answered this already, sorry but are you weaving GB on/off or keeping it on mostly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNge...ature=youtu.be

This is what I came up with. Compared to my previous test, I did get a few more crits. Other than that, it's a straight dps buff to full time GB.

I'd also wager that toggling GB is a dps loss due to ricochet's nerf.

Might be a silly question, but can wildfire crit?

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Originally Posted by airshowboat

LOL. Glad you found the reason. Also, look forward to that wildfire hitting at 5100+ at 60 ilvl 170+. I've seen it hit for 5500 before.. its pretty sick.

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I've been getting 5.5k's at like i16x, so it can get preeetty high if you do it right.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Might be a silly question, but can wildfire crit?

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I don't believe so. It's all based in the damage dealt in the last 15 seconds, crits included, so if it could crit, it would be overkill. It just needs to not be defended against twice.

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Originally Posted by Odowla

I've been getting 5.5k's at like i16x, so it can get preeetty high if you do it right.

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Well its a pretty rare occasion when mine hit that hard. Hover between 5100-5200 most of the time at 172. You must get some nice crit hits during your rotation. Not sure what else I can do to maximize that damage. All buffs and dots are up before I even pitch wildfire out there.

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Originally Posted by airshowboat

You give me hope :) I bet that Hive weapon adds a nice chunk of dps. Did you use food in those numbers?

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They were with food, no pot.

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Originally Posted by typelethyl

If you answered this already, sorry but are you weaving GB on/off or keeping it on mostly?

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It was full-time GB. Currently full-time is an actual gain.

So even at level 53, with the gauss improvements its better to keep it on now?

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

It was full-time GB. Currently full-time is an actual gain.

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it was before, but yeha.

This is what I am hoping to test this evening when I get home. Previously, if you used no CD's and only did the rotation of split shot spam and hit the procs as they come, using the gauss barrel resulted in LOWER dps than with it on, or at least nearly identical dps, depending on RNG.

I am hoping what I find out this evening is that using the GB will see a noticeable increase in dps without using cd's, just using split shot spam and the procs as they come.

https://gyazo.com/e8aeee02b74b8a3c82efcc2a69f96b75

i167.

Yeah. These buffs will do just fine.

So guass barrel full time then?

Actually, in most situation movement situation where it last less than 3 sec, id rather keep my GB on. Usually there is something instant available when you have to move such as proc slug shot, proc clean shot, Gauss Round and Ricochet. In worst case when nothing is available, i can cast feint while on the move.

So, just cleared T4 and got the free accessory. I'm picked the neck piece for the det and skill speed. Have we determined what our best stats are yet?

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

So, just cleared T4 and got the free accessory. I'm picked the neck piece for the det and skill speed. Have we determined what our best stats are yet?

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CRIT/DET is best stats. Skill speed being pretty useless as we only have one dot. I upgraded earrings, bracelets, and ring this week.

I cleared T1 twice and the others once a piece... Didn't get a drop until T4, so I haven't been able to upgrade anything else. :(

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Originally Posted by Odowla

it was before, but yeha.

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Not really. I've came within 20 dps of every GB parse prepatch with it only on in opener and could consistently hit those #s whether RNG was in my favor or not.

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Originally Posted by Odowla

https://gyazo.com/e8aeee02b74b8a3c82efcc2a69f96b75

i167.

Yeah. These buffs will do just fine.

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Respect! No idea how you do it. 172 and I max out about 880.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

CRIT/DET is best stats. Skill speed being pretty useless as we only have one dot. I upgraded earrings, bracelets, and ring this week.

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Well, does skill speed affect the turret like spell speed does for SMN pets?

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Well, does skill speed affect the turret like spell speed does for SMN pets?

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Not sure. \o/

Either way, ss's effect on cast times will be kinda nice.

Ran Alex floor 1. Parsed at 1003 on the first trash pull. The dragoons piercing debuff must really help out the machinist considering I barely pull 900 on a dummy

http://i.imgur.com/JMhJ4cV.png

987 A1 no dragoon

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Originally Posted by Ephier

CRIT/DET is best stats. Skill speed being pretty useless as we only have one dot. I upgraded earrings, bracelets, and ring this week.

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Is there a preference of one versus the other? I remember them mentioning changes to crit (i think this one got a buff?) and determination so would crit be preferred since we don't auto attack as much with GB?

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

http://i.imgur.com/JMhJ4cV.png

987 A1 no dragoon

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GJ that's a very nice number. But why does your ninja have 30s more duration than the rest of the party tho?

GB on at all times, unless you need to burn mobs down...and your DET is outstanding.

Otherwise? Rotations, rotations, rotations.

If you're stance dancing after 3.01, you're wasting a DPS slot.

With the recent changes to gauss barrel I am not sure if its worth it to use feint anymore. The way it works now is, when you put gauss barrel on you have to wait 15s to take it off, BUT putting it back on after you take it off has no CD. So if you need the quick mobility, such as Ravana orbs it might be better to just drop it for the orbs then slap it back on.

Feint 120*1.56 = 187.2
Split shot 140*1.2 = 168 not including autos gained.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

With the recent changes to gauss barrel I am not sure if its worth it to use feint anymore. The way it works now is, when you put gauss barrel on you have to wait 15s to take it off, BUT putting it back on after you take it off has no CD. So if you need the quick mobility, such as Ravana orbs it might be better to just drop it for the orbs then slap it back on.

Feint 120*1.56 = 187.2
Split shot 140*1.2 = 168 not including autos gained.

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That seems mathematically correct, and also add onto the fact that Slug and and Clean Shot could provv from those Split Shots.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

GJ that's a very nice number. But why does your ninja have 30s more duration than the rest of the party tho?

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Duration for ACT always seem to vary by 15+ seconds. I'm not really sure what causes it.

pre-casting huton adds ~20seconds

I'm still struggling with this class, as much as I want to be good at it, my rotation is just terrible. I find myself staring at the hotbar too much looking at the available skills and just going ham on them which just feels wrong...

So after the opener, GB stays on and we just pop abilities when they come off CD?

Is GB only worth using at 60? I'm only level 53 and so far it seems like a substantial DPS loss...

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Originally Posted by WouldRuin

Is GB only worth using at 60? I'm only level 53 and so far it seems like a substantial DPS loss...

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From what I've seen, it scales with better gear and having Gauss Round and Ricochet make a difference.

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Originally Posted by WouldRuin

Is GB only worth using at 60? I'm only level 53 and so far it seems like a substantial DPS loss...

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At 53 it may benefit from stance dancing... Shot + auto attack > Shot + GB ... However, you will want GB on EVERY TIME you use lead shot and up for as many gauss rounds as possible. At 60, ricochet adds a nice chunk of DPS. At 60, the down time between using ricochet, lead shot, and gauss round is so small that its really not worth the complexity to stance dance. Just remember,the strongest potency attack in the MCH arsenal is lead shot, so its a must to have GB on for that.

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Originally Posted by heit

I'm still struggling with this class, as much as I want to be good at it, my rotation is just terrible. I find myself staring at the hotbar too much looking at the available skills and just going ham on them which just feels wrong...

So after the opener, GB stays on and we just pop abilities when they come off CD?

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For the most part, yes. Its worth delaying blood for blood to line up with wildfire, rapid fire, and hawk eye. The 2nd wildfire will not line up with reload and will rely on procs for heavy damage.. However, poping it right away should allow your 3rd wildfire to line up with your 4th reload for heavy damage.

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Originally Posted by airshowboat

At 53 it may benefit from stance dancing... Shot + auto attack > Shot + GB ... However, you will want GB on EVERY TIME you use lead shot and up for as many gauss rounds as possible. At 60, ricochet adds a nice chunk of DPS. At 60, the down time between using ricochet, lead shot, and gauss round is so small that its really not worth the complexity to stance dance. Just remember,the strongest potency attack in the MCH arsenal is lead shot, so its a must to have GB on for that.

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I just did a few tests on a dummy and it's definitely not a DPS gain. Best case is it is not a loss...! I'll try again when I get Gauss Round (54?) otherwise I'll wait till 60.

I must admit as a relatively new player (played up to 30 in ARR) who picked up HW solely for Machinist I'm a little disappointed =(