SMN - knowing the class (part 1)

Lol? You are clueless.

No, shadow flare is a 250 potency AoE. Besides 3 stacks of AF BLM, name one other AoE that is that strong and not on a huge timer(Dragonfire Dive).

It doesn't take 13 seconds for them to start ticking. They're still ticking while you're setting up.

Slow? After 3 GCDs we can use an off-GCD 300 potency attack.

Summoner vs Bard AoE:

Our AoE potency, assuming ideal conditions for Bane (adds spawning on top of the boss), is Bio 1 (40) + Bio 2 (35) + Miasma (35) + Miasma 2 (10) + Shadow Flare (25) = 145 potency per 3 seconds. Chaining tridisaster adds another 35 potency per 3 seconds, for 180 potency per 3 seconds total.

A Bard using Circle of Flame (35 potency per tick) and spamming Quick Nock every GCD, will do 132 (adding 20% to Quick Nock's 110 potency as a GCD is 2.5s and not 3s) + 35 = 167 potency per 3 seconds.

Without good positioning, the Summoner has a 13 second ramp up time for Bio 1, Bio 2, Miasma, Miasma 2, and Shadow Flare. With good positioning, Shadow Flare will already be up and Bane will spread the DoTs, for only 2.5s of ramp up for Miasma 2.

Bard's Circle of Flame is instant and Quick Nock is instant, but both are on the GCD, for 2.5s of ramp up for casting Circle of Flame.

Conclusion: Summoner AoE is competitive, but heavily dependent on good positioning of add spawns.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Lol? You are clueless.

No, shadow flare is a 250 potency AoE. Besides 3 stacks of AF BLM, name one other AoE that is that strong and not on a huge timer(Dragonfire Dive).

It doesn't take 13 seconds for them to start ticking. They're still ticking while you're setting up.

Slow? After 3 GCDs we can use an off-GCD 300 potency attack.

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I think some people just want to see big numbers to make their e-peen grow. Shadowflare should tick for 400 damage every second for them.

I think the real pain isn't the damage... its the amount of cast time we have for dots... we take like 10-12 seconds to toss everything out every 20 secondsish? Its kind of annoying to deal with let alone managing the pet also.

Is it better just to let Garuda go all out or to put her on obey so tbat you control when contagion is used. Seems like obey would be tbe way to go. But im not sure if thats too much of a dps loss by restricting her. Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Amsai

Is it better just to let Garuda go all out or to put her on obey so tbat you control when contagion is used. Seems like obey would be tbe way to go. But im not sure if thats too much of a dps loss by restricting her. Any thoughts?

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If you don't do it manually she will cast the extension before you cast Thunder. Also, her basic spell is more DPS than her other abilities, so you shouldn't have her use them anyway.

Thanks Rev. appreciate ya.

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Originally Posted by Sacerdos

Bard's Circle of Flame is instant and Quick Nock is instant, but both are on the GCD, for 2.5s of ramp up for casting Circle of Flame.

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Flaming Arrow is actually off-CD.

Well when you compare smn to an class that is slightly overpowered than people start to think its weak i guess. The irony is that ive been beating most of the bards i group with but skill does play a factor i guess.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Lol? You are clueless.

No, shadow flare is a 250 potency AoE. Besides 3 stacks of AF BLM, name one other AoE that is that strong and not on a huge timer(Dragonfire Dive).

It doesn't take 13 seconds for them to start ticking. They're still ticking while you're setting up.

Slow? After 3 GCDs we can use an off-GCD 300 potency attack.

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why is math so hard for you?

it takes 30 seconds for shadow flare to do that 250 potency.

in 30 seconds, how many 100 potency aoe's can other classes spit out?