Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Okay so we're talking about optimal play and flexibility. If you can recover mp with xenoglossy and have a charge, you have to use it to be optimal. There's nothing flat out wrong about that. It's the same thing with mp regen being tick based, if you had charges you had to use them.

The people having a knee-jerk reaction to this change don't realize that it is actually more flexibility because you have the freedom to pool charges for buff window instead of spending them while waiting for mana ticks. We're talking about optimal play and flexibility, not casual play.

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Polyglot stacks have 10295910692958 other uses you aren’t remotely factoring in

It’s not a gain to spend a polyglot stack in ice phase when you need to move in the subsequent fire phase and have no movement tools to accomplish this, same as if a raidwide is coming up and you need to save a weave space for addle

You are looking at this as “optional in the vacuum of only looking at one specific line across an infinite time period”, it is rarely actually optimal in current BLM play to dump xeno in umbral ice, some non standard play does encourage this for short lines before downtime but it’s far from the norm

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Polyglot stacks have 10295910692958 other uses you aren’t remotely factoring in

It’s not a gain to spend a polyglot stack in ice phase when you need to move in the subsequent fire phase and have no movement tools to accomplish this, same as if a raidwide is coming up and you need to save a weave space for addle

You are looking at this as “optional in the vacuum of only looking at one specific line across an infinite time period”, it is rarely actually optimal in current BLM play to dump xeno in umbral ice, some non standard play does encourage this for short lines before downtime but it’s far from the norm

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I'm talking about BLM where mp regen is dependent on spellcasts, you are talking about current blm which is irrelevant to the conversation. The changes being "any spell cast" vs "ice spell cast" makes little difference in flexibility. Ice spells gives more freedom if you have to cast spells to regenerate mana because you will always get 3 umbral hearts to work with and never have to spend xenoglossy for mana regen. It's almost like you want this contrived mess of a rotation that is 100% static in optimization when you make every correct decision for the encounter, but ends up being more constrained in reality because of how optimal sequencing works.

We have different definitions of flexibility I guess. New BLM will be way more athletic, current BLM is very nerdy and based on theorycrafting/prior knowledge.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I'm talking about BLM where mp regen is dependent on spellcasts, you are talking about current blm which is irrelevant to the conversation. The changes being "any spell cast" vs "ice spell cast" makes little difference in flexibility. Ice spells gives more freedom if you have to cast spells to regenerate mana because you will always get 3 umbral hearts to work with and never have to spend xenoglossy for mana regen. It's almost like you want this contrived mess of a rotation that is 100% static in optimization when you make every correct decision for the encounter, but ends up being more constrained in reality because of how optimal sequencing works.

We have different definitions of flexibility I guess. New BLM will be way more athletic, current BLM is very nerdy and based on theorycrafting/prior knowledge.

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My point reflects both versions, you are acting as if under the new system that if any spell in umbral ice restored mana then suddenly it becomes optimal and inflexible to just dump polyglot stacks in ice phase to avoid having to cast ice spells. This is currently partially true……..in very specific circumstances when you are both attempting to run a short line for a particular reason and also actually have free polyglot stacks to use; which you 100% won’t always have for a multitude of reasons

Since you can’t always dump polyglot stacks in ice phase as it is there is really no downside of letting any spell in ice phase restore mana because you already weren’t dumping polyglot in ice for the sake of it…….because again there is a 110592069296 other uses of polyglot stacks that take precedence over attempting to use it to avoid casting blizzard 4 to run a short line that you won’t even be doing most of the time

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

My point reflects both versions, you are acting as if under the new system that if any spell in umbral ice restored mana then suddenly it becomes optimal and inflexible to just dump polyglot stacks in ice phase to avoid having to cast ice spells. This is currently partially true……..in very specific circumstances when you are both attempting to run a short line for a particular reason and also actually have free polyglot stacks to use; which you 100% won’t always have for a multitude of reasons

Since you can’t always dump polyglot stacks in ice phase as it is there is really no downside of letting any spell in ice phase restore mana because you already weren’t dumping polyglot in ice for the sake of it…….because again there is a 110592069296 other uses of polyglot stacks that take precedence over attempting to use it to avoid casting blizzard 4 to run a short line that you won’t even be doing most of the time

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Yeah sounds too complicated to me. This is why everyone just runs summoner even though they want to play blm.

Let's be real, others play SMN not because they like the job... it's either: they can stay half awake playing or it shares gear with BLM and when they've figured the fight, they'd switch and never look back.

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Originally Posted by Sjol

It might be your definition, but I don't think it's the literal definition of it (from Oxford):

> make (an organization or system) more efficient and effective by employing faster or simpler working methods

You can have options and be streamlined. It's more a question of efficiency. When we're talking about streamlining designs at work it's more a question of making sure that the options the user has are all useful ones.

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I agree, streamlined was Stormblood.

Watered down is Shadowbringers and onward.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yeah sounds too complicated to me. This is why everyone just runs summoner even though they want to play blm.

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BLM optimization is complicated yes.

SMN has no skill ceiling.

Maybe, Blizzard 4 restores 100% of your MP. Maybe Paradox does the same (it acts as Fire in AF, so it would stand to reason it would act as Blizzard in UI. There is a caveat that Blizzard might not restore 100% MP though, though no reason Paradox couldn't).

From my limited looking at alternate BLM lines, the majority, if not all have Paradox under UI. If it did restore 100% of your MP, nothing would change and, if I read things right, they tended to have a filler GCD for the MP ticks anyway. By allowing full MP on one cast, it might even add more flexibility.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Let's be real, others play SMN not because they like the job... it's either: they can stay half awake playing or it shares gear with BLM and when they've figured the fight, they'd switch and never look back.

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I've also seen "sorry, not my job, but I had to fill" a couple times from SMN joining PF.

It's actually kind of odd how much damage spread you see on the low end for SMN, considering there's nothing mechanically that explains such discrepancy in skill level. I'd suspect healers who don't main the job/normally play DPS at all, but find it the most convenient one to jump into in a pinch, because it comes bundled when you level healers first. And its rotation being closest to healers'.

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Originally Posted by Valence

SMN has no skill ceiling.

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How dare you place SMN and skill ceiling in the same sentence. :D

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Originally Posted by rawker

How dare you place SMN and skill ceiling in the same sentence. :D

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Unless the sentence is “SMN’s skill ceiling is on its skill floor”