Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

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Originally Posted by Eisi

Well we either agreed to help Wuk Lamat or we lied into her face. Doesn't matter what Dawntrail is about to do, 6.55 already fucked up no matter how you slice it.

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Yeah it's fucked up and it ruined the whole upcoming expansion and Final Fantasy XIV and every game that Yoshi P will ever make and Square Enix and every JRPG henceforth, it was catastrophic.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

This a huge cope. You really think we can't go in there and kill everyone if we want to? Her other three brothers could combine forces and try to take us down and all the town would see is a massacre. The winner of the contest will be who we end up choosing, simple as that.

Make sure to pack your conquistador hat.

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Lets not reach to the point our heads rips off and roll across the room please.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Oh so that's what you call it when others don't share your opinion? Mighty learned of you. I feel like your statement is inflammatory and contrarian as well. But it's understandable if the concepts being presented here are too complicated for your simplistic world view.

If I were you, I would go around and keep repeating this to others you don't agree with, while not refuting any arguments with some of your own. That'll teach everyone you know best surely.

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your points are equivalent to "dr frankenstein did nothing wrong "

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

your points are equivalent to "dr frankenstein did nothing wrong "

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Incorrect. Everyone did a bunch of mistakes in the story. Even Alphinaud admitted as much when the crystal braves turned on him. Every being is flawed, and the game goes to great lengths to showcase everyone as human-like, with both good and bad in them. This theme was central to shadowbringers as we get to know Emet.

Even Zenos at the end. You could argue that without him the final days would have succeeded and therefore he was a net positive despite his blood thirsty nature. Although his motivations would put him in the evil category, as he wasn’t trying to save anyone, unlike the others. Regardless he was capable of good deeds.

What’s central to this theme and important to get is that so often we are quick to assume what’s right and wrong and become incredibly prejudiced against others based on the narrative we are told. However, things are always much more complex and nuanced in most cases. Everyone believes in what they are doing, and consider it good.

SE actually does a good job here, never letting their villains just be this mind numbing evil being that needs to be put down because he is just bad and irredeemable.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Incorrect. Everyone did a bunch of mistakes in the story. Even Alphinaud admitted as much when the crystal braves turned on him. Every being is flawed, and the game goes to great lengths to showcase everyone as human, with both good and bad in them. This theme was central to shadowbringers as we get to know Emet.

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emet is a empathetic figure, its easy to see his point of view. but ultimatly wrong as their plan causes literal planet sized genocides every time

his whole deal hanging out with you in shb is to see wether youre "enough" for his qualifications.

your first two points regarding "stopping the ascians :<" and "not letting the reincarnation of dickhead kingarthur take over the world" are especially assinine that if i didnt think you were abjectly wrong that you were taking the piss.

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

emet is a empathetic figure, its easy to see his point of view. but ultimatly wrong as their plan causes literal planet sized genocides every time

his whole deal hanging out with you in shb is to see wether youre "enough" for his qualifications.

your first two points regarding "stopping the ascians :<" and "not letting the reincarnation of dickhead kingarthur take over the world" are especially assinine that if i didnt think you were abjectly wrong that you were taking the piss.

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Oh okay you didn’t read the whole thread. We touched on why Hydaelyn committed mass genocide on a scale not even Zodiark and the ascians did. Go back and read it and let me know when you’ve caught up so we can continue if you want.

See it’s hard I assumed since you were on the last page you had something new to add here.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Oh okay you didn’t read the whole thread. We touched on why Hydaelyn committed mass genocide on a scale not even Zodiark and the ascians did. Go back and read it and let me know when you’ve caught up so we can continue if you want.

See it’s hard I assumed since you were on the last page you had something new to add here.

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If most of the ancients had been sacrificed to zodiark, how did hydaelyn commit mass genocide and the ascians didn't?



Before even getting into the whole shard destruction thing, the ascians killed more of their own people than hydaelyn. There was also no guarantee they could fix things by killing even more of their own people. Hydaelyn had a solution that was known to work, as evidenced by our appearance.





Also, I'd like to point out that the emissary himself said that nothing we did while there could change the past. If it did, you'd have to deal with time loop bullshit where we cease to exist, hydaelyn doesn't find out about what happens, and reality implodes.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Oh okay you didn’t read the whole thread. We touched on why Hydaelyn committed mass genocide on a scale not even Zodiark and the ascians did. Go back and read it and let me know when you’ve caught up so we can continue if you want.

See it’s hard I assumed since you were on the last page you had something new to add here.

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the original sundering did not "kill" people, it split them 14 ways, and each world has its own lifestream and reincarnation cycle.

if venat "killed" everyone who was left for sundering, by logic no one would be able to be born if everyone died. souls are important, but you still need flesh on flesh to make physical bodies.

saying venat commited genocide is a logical fallacy.

you could say it was "fucked up" as now no one had the power of creation as they did before. but thats a different issue.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If most of the ancients had been sacrificed to zodiark, how did hydaelyn commit mass genocide and the ascians didn't?



Before even getting into the whole shard destruction thing, the ascians killed more of their own people than hydaelyn. There was also no guarantee they could fix things by killing even more of their own people. Hydaelyn had a solution that was known to work, as evidenced by our appearance.





Also, I'd like to point out that the emissary himself said that nothing we did while there could change the past. If it did, you'd have to deal with time loop bullshit where we cease to exist, hydaelyn doesn't find out about what happens, and reality implodes.

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They both did. Thats the point, who was right is subjective. Where you are dead wrong is that Hydaelyn had a solution she knew would work, unless you plan to ignore the fact she left the moon and loporrits as an escape plan should her solution fail. She was just as in the dark about whether the planet could be saved or not as the ascians, and they both had plans in place to fix the situation and buy more time. They just disagreed on the how, and both of them committed genocide leaving who was right up to interpretation.

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

the original sundering did not "kill" people, it split them 14 ways, and each world has its own lifestream and reincarnation cycle.

if venat "killed" everyone who was left for sundering, by logic no one would be able to be born if everyone died. souls are important, but you still need flesh on flesh to make physical bodies.

saying venat commited genocide is a logical fallacy.

you could say it was "fucked up" as now no one had the power of creation as they did before. but thats a different issue.

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We already touched on that, did you go back to reading the whole thread like I asked you to? If you don't answer yes I won't reply to you anymore.