I'm One Of The Filthiests Of Casuals And Even I Can See How Dumbdown FF14 Has Become!

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Originally Posted by Renathras

I suppose it depends on what one considers "filler", but I consider Ruin 3 to be the filler in the Job, and you use it 1-2 times per minute, which is an extremely small amount of filler. This seems akin to saying that Fire IV and Flare are "filler" on BLM, or that RDM's melee combo and burst phase are filler. I don't feel like that's an at all fair assessment.

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So, a comparison:

• RPR: Enshroud, consume 4 stacks, Communio :D
• RPR: Enshroud, consume 4 stacks, get carried away and consume the 5th stack, :(
• SMN: Summon Titan, consume 4 stacks, :confused::confused::confused:

Ifrit's dash and Garuda's puddle are unique action within SMN's kit, but the rest of the attuned gemshine actions lack the oomph of a finisher, and fail to build up to anything or go anywhere interesting -- just like Ruin III.

And while they might be considered "the destination," much like one might consider Fire IV "the destination" for BLM, SMN is severely lacking in all those things that make getting to the destination and staying there interesting.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

So, a comparison:

• RPR: Enshroud, consume 4 stacks, Communio :D
• RPR: Enshroud, consume 4 stacks, get carried away and consume the 5th stack, :(
• SMN: Summon Titan, consume 4 stacks, :confused::confused::confused:

Ifrit's dash and Garuda's puddle are unique action within SMN's kit, but the rest of the attuned gemshine actions lack the oomph of a finisher, and fail to build up to anything or go anywhere interesting -- just like Ruin III.

And while they might be considered "the destination," much like one might consider Fire IV "the destination" for BLM, SMN is severely lacking in all those things that make getting to the destination and staying there interesting.

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Exactly, other classes that have “spammy” burst phases both have fail states and build towards something (or in DRK’s case has 10,000 oGCD’s) SMN has none of these options, you physically cannot fail it’s rotation short of dying because SMN has no fail state

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Exactly, other classes that have “spammy” burst phases both have fail states and build towards something (or in DRK’s case has 10,000 oGCD’s) SMN has none of these options, you physically cannot fail it’s rotation short of dying because SMN has no fail state

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The fail state is there, but it’s a common one shared by every job in the game. You can enter the fail state simply by just not pressing your buttons.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

The fail state is there, but it’s a common one shared by every job in the game. You can enter the fail state simply by just not pressing your buttons.

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The biggest fail state of them all

Clicking accept on the duty finder

You can never fail if you AFK in limsa

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

The biggest fail state of them all

Clicking accept on the duty finder

You can never fail if you AFK in limsa

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Bro true. But the poster above definitely brings up a good point that I hadn’t really thought about before. Avenues for failure seems to be a staple of dps jobs. You don’t generally see them on tanks and healers and rightfully so as they typically have additional responsibilities altho it’s still possible (I sure have deployed without a shield on the target more than once).

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Bro true. But the poster above definitely brings up a good point that I hadn’t really thought about before. Avenues for failure seems to be a staple of dps jobs. You don’t generally see them on tanks and healers and rightfully so as they typically have additional responsibilities altho it’s still possible (I sure have deployed without a shield on the target more than once).

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I’m pretty sure they were building on my point from the previous page where I answered rens assertion that “aspected ruin 3 isn’t filler” with the point that it was because SMN doesn’t have a fail state

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m pretty sure they were building on my point from the previous page where I answered rens assertion that “aspected ruin 3 isn’t filler” with the point that it was because SMN doesn’t have a fail state

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I don’t understand how someone can’t see its ruin 3 in all but name.

You don’t build gauge. You’re just dumping. There’s no strategic gameplay involved with it. You arnt required to actually spend everything before Baha/phoenix.

I think it's great that game have en easy job like SMN now..
Because it means that players who are new and not good at mmos
get to experience this game too.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

I don’t understand how someone can’t see its ruin 3 in all but name.

You don’t build gauge. You’re just dumping. There’s no strategic gameplay involved with it. You arnt required to actually spend everything before Baha/phoenix.

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haha

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

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haha

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