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07-20-2023, 11:46 PM
Raikai

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'm holding out for 7.0. That will either renew my interest or kill it forever.

Basically my situation as well. As much as I love many aspects of the game, like the story and character visuals - I don't think I'll be sticking around if 7.0 is not innovative at the slightest. Not because I dislike the general PVE formula (other than the 2min meta that I detest), but because I've been playing for quite a while now and I can't possibly stomach more of the same once again.

If that happens, I'll probably just subscribe during the expansion release, and then again at patch 7.55, so I can see the MSQ without patch cliffhangers. And the reason why I'm holding hope for 7.0, is that symbolically represents a 'new beginning', and that might be loaded with a context outside of story as well - but I suppose we'll see more of this around the second or last Fanfest.
07-20-2023, 11:47 PM
Atelier-Bagur

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

difficult to say.

years ago I played Star Wars Galaxies, and SOE released an expansion that radically changed the game, and saw a massive amount of people leave the game, the head of SOE at the time basically said, "dont let the door hit you on the way out"

the game was never changed back. players never came back.

the response of those at the top is unpredictable if they think they are right. granted years later he said "it was a mistake" but after many years, did it really matter? nope, because the mistake was never corrected.

True but while we meme a lot on Yoshida and the team, I'm sure that somebody like him would take that kind of mass exodus seriously.

He's not the kind of person who would actually let a project just die out. It just seems like he and the team has gotten too complacent at times.
07-20-2023, 11:48 PM
Carin-Eri

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I think Asmongold said it best. If everyone or if 90% of the playerbase actually just quit right now, SE would immediately do a 180 with FFXIV in a heartbeat.

What sort of 'wisdom' is that? Sounds more like stating the obvious to me!

Again, WAY too much credit is giving to these Streamers.
07-20-2023, 11:53 PM
Atelier-Bagur

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

What sort of 'wisdom' is that? Sounds more like stating the obvious to me!

Again, WAY too much credit is giving to these Streamers.

But is he wrong though? Are you forgetting the entire reason why the current game even exists? Or are you just purposefully playing dumb
07-20-2023, 11:53 PM
Kes13a

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

True but while we meme a lot on Yoshida and the team, I'm sure that somebody like him would take that kind of mass exodus seriously.

He's not the kind of person who would actually let a project just die out. It just seems like he and the team has gotten too complacent at times.

I dont disagree, he would be concerned and all, all I am saying is that for some streamer to babble that does not predict a sea change like many ask for. yes, Yoshi would be serious.. doesnt mean that whomever is higher than Yoshi would give a flying f....
07-20-2023, 11:57 PM
IkaraGreydancer

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

difficult to say.

years ago I played Star Wars Galaxies, and SOE released an expansion that radically changed the game, and saw a massive amount of people leave the game, the head of SOE at the time basically said, "dont let the door hit you on the way out"

the game was never changed back. players never came back.

the response of those at the top is unpredictable if they think they are right. granted years later he said "it was a mistake" but after many years, did it really matter? nope, because the mistake was never corrected.

Yoshi isn't perfect but he doesn't strike me as the dude to say or do that. It's clear he wants to make a game folks enjoy so I don't see this scenario happening with XIV. Anything is possible ofc but this is very unlikely.
I'll also day I don't forsee 90% ever leaving this game considering most of the player is more casual. To push those folks out you'd have to take a more hardcore approach and introduce long grind that turn these folks off which SE doesn't seem to want to do.

Also Asmon isn't wrong but like...thats the equivalent of saying water is a liquid. Most companies will turn around when many people leave. So I don't credit that logic to Asmon and I think that's what Carin means
07-20-2023, 11:58 PM
Carin-Eri

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

But is he wrong though? Are you forgetting the entire reason why the current game even exists? Or are you just purposefully playing dumb

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he's stating the obvious. Big difference.
07-20-2023, 11:58 PM
Atelier-Bagur

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont disagree, he would be concerned and all, all I am saying is that for some streamer to babble that does not predict a sea change like many ask for. yes, Yoshi would be serious.. doesnt mean that whomever is higher than Yoshi would give a flying f....

Considering how this game is supposed to be their cash cow, I doubt that's the mentality the higher ups would have.

Again I already said with the poster above you, 2.0 happened because SE actually cared about their property. It seems silly to believe that they just go "lol oh well"
07-21-2023, 12:00 AM
CStrife912

The problem is we aren't seeing their retention or player metrics...we just see this smaller vocal minority (from the total playerbase) have their say...until after 7.0 and we see a bigger decline I'm hard pressed to see if CBU3 is actually concerned with anything. The issues are imbedded into their restrictive scheduling, combat 2 minute meta and anything extensive would be reserved for an expansion launch. Content is planned out well in advance but those resources are carefully lined out...they can't flip a switch take resources away from something and knuckle down on one thing..the downside is you get 2 things that are mediocre rather then 1s really good and 1s rubbish.

I know someone here uses steamcharts and I get it can indicate a trend however I can't take mass unpredicted wow exodus joining and leaving into the growth metrics of the game. It was totally unplanned growth and it made sense a lot left for a multitude of reasons. The game is in a healthy stable state...that if this is the lul...its going to be 2 expansions or so down the line before we hit a point of all hands on deck we need to fix this situation. They really need to make up a big survey that they send out to every registered player to partake in and publish the results to get a broader impact of the problems or concerns of the community but I feel they don't need to do that because its not in as bad a state as some are to be believed (for better or worse)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Considering how this game is supposed to be their cash cow, I doubt that's the mentality the higher ups would have.

Again I already said with the poster above you, 2.0 happened because SE actually cared about their property. It seems silly to believe that they just go "lol oh well"

Definitely not something he would do, he's shown he can turn a dumpster fire back from the grave and I think he could easily do it again if the situation occurred.
07-21-2023, 12:01 AM
Atelier-Bagur

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he's stating the obvious. Big difference.

So why does it matter where it came from? If it were so obvious then why doesn't the community follow it?

I'll tell you why, it's because we lack backbone and are too complacent.

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