That Which He Does Not Play

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You are literally defending the absolutely horrible preview system we have in char selection screen on the other thread by telling people they should make a char for each voice they want to try and if they're not happy they should go on youtube.

Your opinion is laughable.

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I didn't defend shite first off. NOWHERE did I say the system was perfect or ok. I said we have alternatives for some of that until they improve it. If you spent more time reading and less time raging n insulting people you'd know this.

My opinion is laughable...yet you respond to it. If anything is laughable its you. If you're gonna dress someone down at LEAST use facts n not your crap headcanon

In fact this is what I said in case naysayers think I'm lying.
(Don't know how to tag posts on other threads)


"You're paying for access to the servers/game. Paying a sub doesn't entitle you to anything past that. The rest is extra.

If you don't want to make the effort until they decide to change things then that's on you. Not being anti qol here, just being real"

I mean, if the game was truly hemorrhaging players, why then is there plans to add more servers?

Sure, if someone joined during the WoW exodus with other WoW players who played and decided it wasn’t for them them then yeah, you would see a lot of like minded people leaving. Doesn’t mean the entire game matches that.

You also can’t compare stats month to month as there are ups and downs in the expansion cycle. You will always see a huge boost when a new expac drops, with a steady wave of up/down til the next drop. Rather look at it in something like a 2 year block.

If you want to talk actual numbers in a 2 year block, you can get an idea looking at Steam stats. You will see September 2020 sitting at about 19k on steam. This went way up as Endwalker was nearing release in 2021 to like 31k. Now that we’re back to lull time it’s down to 26kish, but still higher than the last lull in 2020.

Link https://steamcharts.com/app/39210

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Yes because treasure hunters are such a massive part of this game

That totally proves that the game is in a very healthy state and that no one is leaving at all I am sure.

/s

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aaaw. So I guess my experience is anecdotal to you and doesn't mean anything huh.
Only your anecdotal experience matters I guess

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I didn't defend shite first off. NOWHERE did I say the system was perfect or ok. I said we have alternatives for some of that until they improve it. If you spent more time reading and less time raging n insulting people you'd know this.

My opinion is laughable...yet you respond to it. If anything is laughable its you. If you're gonna dress someone down at LEAST use facts n not your crap headcanon

In fact this is what I said in case naysayers think I'm lying.
(Don't know how to tag posts on other threads)


"You're paying for access to the servers/game. Paying a sub doesn't entitle you to anything past that. The rest is extra.

If you don't want to make the effort until they decide to change things then that's on you. Not being anti qol here, just being real"

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He's trolling, look at the other fights he's started on this thread. Just ignore it.

Reality check: he probably works more than 8 hours per day. And that he plays ocassionaly to help test something in game according to work schedules.

Do you really believe he spends hours and hours to actually enjoy and play the game? just because he shows his black mage from time to time doesnt mean that. So I dont understand this thread.

Yoshi P is not your Limsa cat girl who has the same faces playing 20 hrs a day.

i smell a troll in this topic

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Steam stats

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Righttt...when the VAST majority use the windows launcher.

Try again.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Righttt...when the VAST majority use the windows launcher.

Try again.

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The burden of proof is on you, bro.

If you don’t have proof or sources, all you have are opinions.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Righttt...when the VAST majority use the windows launcher.

Try again.

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Shouldn't Steam stats still be good enough to indicate a trend though? Like anything, yes, they're not representative of the entire playerbase but it's incredibly unlikely that only Steam players would be quitting the game. I don't think there's a significant difference of demographic between Steam users and other PC users.
You guys were also the ones who used Metacritic to prove your point when it suited you and it's literally just 1.2k reviews on a third party website (Not even a tenth of the max number of daily concurrent users on Steam).
Plus, the decrease of players is also supported by Luckybancho, which are probably the most accurate numbers we'll ever get.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Shouldn't Steam stats still be good enough to indicate a trend though? Like anything, yes, they're not representative of the entire playerbase but it's incredibly unlikely that only Steam players would be quitting the game. I don't think there's a significant difference of demographic between Steam users and other PC users.
You guys were also the ones who used Metacritic to prove your point when it suited you and it's literally just 1.2k reviews on a third party website (Not even a tenth of the max number of daily concurrent users on Steam).
Plus, the decrease of players is also supported by Luckybancho, which are probably the most accurate numbers we'll ever get.

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Yes, with how many people play the game on steam it is absolutely a valid sample size. IIRC 800 is roughly the point where a sample size becomes big enough to account for statistical error. At a glance on steamcharts the avg player numbers have been pretty stable at around 25k since april. March has been a low at around 17k average. I'm no expert in statistics so if those numbers are indicative of the game heavily bleeding player numbers, someone needs to explain how.