6.08 Patch Notes

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I'm looking at the 75th percentile for pandemonium savage on fflogs. Your numbers are... well I don't know where they're from since even at the 99th percentile, neither job cracks 9,000 on any floor.

P1
RPR : 7,720
MNK : 7,712

P2
MNK : 7,601
RPR : 7,557

P3
RPR : 7,835
MNK : 7,778

P4.1
MNK : 8,121
RPR : 8,104

P4.2
RPR : 8,134
MNK : 8,129

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Why would you balance anything on 75%ile? You balance at Max DPS. Especially this early with gear differences

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Originally Posted by Xiu_Ye

Why would you balance anything on 75%ile? You balance at Max DPS. Especially this early with gear differences

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The developers don't and never have balanced jobs based off the top parse in the world. They expect those to be outliers of performance, and if disparities exist there, it's fine. If that's your baseline as to how jobs should be balanced, then you're out of touch with how the game works. If anything I'm being too high based off how they look at jobs, which is generally how they balance in the hands of the "average" player, or the 50th percentile.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The developers don't and never have balanced jobs based off the top parse in the world. They expect those to be outliers of performance, and if disparities exist there, it's fine. If that's your baseline as to how jobs should be balanced, then you're out of touch with how the game works. If anything I'm being too high based off how they look at jobs, which is generally how they balance in the hands of the "average" player, or the 50th percentile.

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This game has never been balanced around 50%ile and I think you're the one out of touch. You can maybe argue for 99%

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I like the DRK changes.

Would it have killed them to buff Flamethrower on MCH?

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Right? That skill is such a waste right now.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

From a balance perspective, they are irrelevant because none of that content is tuned remotely close to what the jobs are capable of. Case in point, if you outright deleted Bloodwhetting, TBN, Corundum and Shelltron. What changes? Absolutely nothing. The healers still spend 90%+ of their casts on the ST/AoE nuke.

Even mildly insinuating Expert is more important than Savage is completely laughable. I'd like to remind you they've readily been removing dungeons every expansion. Can't say the same about savage

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Expert has literally been the last two dungeons for some time now. And you’re just being inane if you think removing those abilities won’t have an impact on expert. Savage raiders always thinks their content is the only content that matters when they’re in the minority. WoW has the same problems, optimizing for a minority of players. If savage is where they look at single target, expert is where they should look for aoe.

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Originally Posted by AzazelCaine

MCH main reporting in. Changes - as expected. Will continue to pray for mercy throughout the expansion. :rolleyes:

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As a fellow MCH main, it feels very much like we are the stepchildren banished to the corner.

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Originally Posted by WiccaP

As a fellow MCH main, it feels very much like we are the stepchildren banished to the corner.

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Atleast you didn't lose anything..
[cries in dragoon]

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Originally Posted by Xiu_Ye

This game has never been balanced around 50%ile and I think you're the one out of touch. You can maybe argue for 99%

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This game has never been balanced...

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Originally Posted by Adils

Atleast you didn't lose anything..
[cries in dragoon]

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I dont think the MCH hear your weak cries about a thether animation over the sound of their glaring issues...

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Originally Posted by Delily

Expert has literally been the last two dungeons for some time now. And you’re just being inane if you think removing those abilities won’t have an impact on expert. Savage raiders always thinks their content is the only content that matters when they’re in the minority. WoW has the same problems, optimizing for a minority of players. If savage is where they look at single target, expert is where they should look for aoe.

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My dude, Bloodwhetting didn't exist in Shadowbringers. Guess what? You barely even looked at a tank's HP in Expert. I'll go you one better. I've done Shadowbringer Expert dungeons without even taking a tank. That's how pathetically tuned they are. Taking away all the abilities I mentioned wouldn't have any noteworthy impact because healers barely have to heal Experts to begin with. I could do any of the current three dungeons without ever looking at Bloodwhetting, Thrill or Equilibrium and I'd still never need a single GCD heal on any of the pulls.

This has nothing to do with "SaVaGe RaIdErS!!" but the simple fact dungeons are woefully undertuned. Therefore, balance matters significantly less when every single job is already leagues overpowered in there.