Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

Ah, but you know I can't. Posting the forbidden site is a forum ban! I can give you details, of course. But posting the actual log will surely get me banned.

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Its from the lodestone from the actual FFXIV site.
You won't post the FC because you haven't found anything.
Sh*tlords will always be sh*tlords.
Thanks for being a meme though =)
Give me the details though.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

Edit: Ya know what? I don't wanna get banned in game for calling out another player's performance and providing rather specific proof of that (their actual rankings in spite of having hidden logs).

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Main issue aside it's pretty shitty behavior to try and devalue someone's argument by calling out 'performance' via logs, logs aren't part of the game and should have 0 bearing on someone's argument for or against something, I'm saying that as someone that doesn't log and probably still has my information up there because of someone else. It's just a piss poor decision as a human being to say: "This person doesn't get to have input because they suck at their rotation!" It's legitimately toxic behavior and it's the epitome of Raid elitism to pull that kind of shit, it's not even Ultimate content or something where being able to clear it is some kind of actual badge (assuming it's not bought anyways), it's savage, have some common sense and a shred of decency.

Be a better person.

Imagine calling someone a s**tlord, retarded, stalking prick among others just because they disagree with delaying savage.

Sounds like all the rushing issues come from within, not without.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

I already am the better person. Defending someone who uses the big r word? Now THAT is toxic.

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But you're not, like sure you can say they're not part of Savage raiding but the second you pull logs into things it's just embarrassing, they're not part of the game and waving around you're e-dick for clout is just awful behavior regardless of circumstances. I'm not defending them either, I'm just saying your particular behavior and the glee you take in comparing logs to prove you're a better person is sad, be world first, do great things, lead the bleeding edge of the content race for all I care but using logs to devalue another player/person IS shitty behavior.

It's shitty behavior to use the BIG R, it's still shitty behavior to pull logs and use that shit against someone.

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

But you're not, like sure you can say they're not part of Savage raiding but the second you pull logs into things it's just embarrassing, they're not part of the game and waving around you're e-dick for clout is just awful behavior regardless of circumstances. I'm not defending them either, I'm just saying your particular behavior and the glee you take in comparing logs to prove you're a better person is sad, be world first, do great things, lead the bleeding edge of the content race for all I care but using logs to devalue another player/person IS shitty behavior.

It's shitty behavior to use the BIG R, it's still shitty behavior to pull logs and use that shit against someone.

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Both of em arent the greatest example of human behavior. But lets be honest it makes for a really good show.

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

But you're not, like sure you can say they're not part of Savage raiding but the second you pull logs into things it's just embarrassing, they're not part of the game and waving around you're e-dick for clout is just awful behavior regardless of circumstances. I'm not defending them either, I'm just saying your particular behavior and the glee you take in comparing logs to prove you're a better person is sad, be world first, do great things, lead the bleeding edge of the content race for all I care but using logs to devalue another player/person IS shitty behavior.

It's shitty behavior to use the BIG R, it's still shitty behavior to pull logs and use that shit against someone.

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Can you please stop the absolutely shitty behavior of spreading misinformation that logs are some ethereal thing outside of reality that someone came up with?

Yes, logs are housed on a third party website. But they're completely made using data taken straight from the game.

Seriously, that's stuff that bad players spout because they hate having people be aware of how bad they are.

I'm just gonna throw out that the argument between two players in this thread is why people think the raiding community is toxic.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Seriously, that's stuff that bad players spout because they hate having people be aware of how bad they are.

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I didn't mean to imply logs are made up bullshit, just that it's not a part of the game, the game itself doesn't log your performance and generate a percentile based on how you played that other players can then look at in game, it is very much so a third party program and a third party website. If that was something the developers wanted to include in their game and a feature they wanted players to have/use they wouldn't have gone out of their way to made it against the rules to bring that shit up, it also doesn't help that my only exposure to logs are people either touting their own logs or using the logs of someone else to try and shame/discredit them.

If you want to use logs to better yourself go ahead, if you want to use logs to weed out applicants to your hardcore raiding static then go ahead, but I swear to god the last thing the game needs is people pulling logs in Crystal Tower to play the blame game or to go on the forums and say "NAH LOOK AT UR LOGS".

Like really, it's not a hard concept.

There was topic about it not long ago

I also agree to let the raids to be bit delayed

more arguments here

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/415217

i dont see any reason to rush it, i just slowly getting myself ready and then clear them one at time through pug pt since i dont have time for static one, really dont see any problem here