Mentors...please!

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

True, but that's again not the point here. The point is, you don't need tp be a mentor to expain the basics of the job (which was what I was arguing in the first place). If someone didn't understand the basics after leveling from 70 to 80 (which requires approximately 20 hours of play time, more than many full games), he's not the kind of player that would pay attention to what a mentor says. What's the chance of knowing absolutely nothing about you job after 20 hours of gameplay? Close to zero. Even if you used a jump potion. That's why mentors should be something more than casual players that know general info about the game and the basics of the three roles.
The thing is, there's nothing in this game that certifies your skill except for (current) savage and ultimate achievements, but that's probably a bit too much to ask of mentors.

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You keep assuming that the point of a mentor is to be an expert capable of teaching others how to play every job.

This is SE's entire description for mentors:

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The mentor system provides more experienced players a means to offer advice and guidance to newer players.

- What is a mentor?
Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

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It doesn't state you need to be expert in anything. You just need to be open to helping new players.

Most new players don't care about the specifics on how to maximize their job efficiency. A lot of them don't care about playing their jobs well at all.

What are the questions I most commonly see getting asked by new players in Novice Network? "How I do sell things to other players?" "When do I get a mount?" "Why can't I get the glamour dresser to work?" "How do I get a chocobo that isn't yellow?" "I want to try a different class, what do I need to do?" "Where do I go to unlock this?" "How do I get promoted in my GC?"

Occasionally you get the "which job is better to play" question asked but it's not that often. It's extremely rare I see a new player asking "Can someone tell me how to play my job better?" Those that do ask are immediately directed to The Balance discord since it's something better answered there than in game.

You don't need to be an expert at playing a job to answer the basic questions new players usually ask. You just need to be willing to help.

The mentor system is ill defined, and in my opinion mostly useless. Most of the information a mentor can provide is usually a single google search away. Which is almost always faster than asking someone, that might not know all the specifics from the top of their heads.

This would mean that mentors are only useful to people unwilling or incapable (for whatever reason) to look things up on their own. For the ultra beginners, this is fine methinks. But Extreme trials and 70+ people? Not in my opinion.

Might sound harsh, but after a certain point, people should be chewed out if they refuse to learn on their own (given the vast amount of resources available) and hinder the people they play with to a noticable degree. Social pressure might not be a gentle motivator, but a decently well working one... presuming that the general rules of civility are followed of course.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Oh my goodness, aren't you just the cleverest little thing! Your mom must be so proud of you! Thank you ever so much for pointing out the obvious flaw in my post, I feel so silly for posting that whole thing now, lol. I mean, it's not like a bad Mentor would ever use sarcasm or backhanded complements to be toxic to sprouts. The only jerks we have to worry about are the obvious ones. You deserve a gold star for figuring that out all by yourself!

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Is healthy humor a crime? If so, I didn’t mean to hurt you. Thanks for your attention. Have a nice day!

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

It sounds more like the god of FF14 and not a human beeing.

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I think you are exaggerating a little. It’s enough just not to be rude and help whenever possible.

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

I go into a duty and get The dancing Plague Extrem and People expect from me and the other Mentor in the Party to explain the Fight on the fly while the new Tank/whm/etc just pulls the boss. Also we have to explain job specific stuff for this encounter and we should be patient even when the encounter takes ages and atleast 4 people are not doing what is necessary for this kind of duty? The Mentors have to compensate and should not dare say anything because it could hurt the feelings of somebody. To tell people "sorry, your are not good enough with your actual performance to beat this encounter" is consindered offensive, abusive and bannable behavior.

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When you opened mentor roulette, did you know where you could go? However, this is not the problem. The problem is the lack of communication.

I have never been in a group that makes The dancing Plague Extrem via Dutyfinder. However, in the usual trial roulettes, several times, where the group had one or two mentors, I saw the comments "Oh my God!" and "Don't waste time!" after the first wipe. Thanks to those who at least left in silence. All these people didn’t even put marks, but they expected that the group, where 4-6 beginners, would do everything right without any help or hint.

My first Titania was late at night. My co-healer was a mentor. This player has done everything possible to successfully complete. He/she put marks, showed people where to stand. I am very grateful to this kind person for a great game. Now, after several Titania runs, I understand that this player was an exception.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

This stupid complain about mentors its just ridiculus. For some reason people think that mentors should have 100% knowledge of every encounter, job ,side quest ,end game content and be a godamn 100 percentile parser.

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Nah. People just expect Mentors to have Jesus-levels of patience and masochism to stay with failing parties for hours, maintaining a smile and absolute moral countenance.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

add a Demerit system.

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Ha! No. Day 1 you will have players giving demerits to others because someone's DPS was not high enough for their standards, a Tank missed aggro on one mob, or a Healer let someone die once. It would be an absolute sheetshow.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

Is healthy humor a crime? If so, I didn’t mean to hurt you. Thanks for your attention. Have a nice day!

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How dare you try to crack a smile on the internet!

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

Nah. People just expect Mentors to have Jesus-levels of patience and masochism to stay with failing parties for hours, maintaining a smile and absolute moral countenance.

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You're dramatizing. If you bother to read the beginning of the thread, you will see what is at stake.
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w...Novice_Network

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Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

As a mentor you are expected to actively perform the following:

Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network and answer their queries in the chat channel.

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But if you consider this a masochism, then, unfortunately, there is nothing to be done.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark if the word politeness is equated to masochism.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It doesn't state you need to be expert in anything. You just need to be open to helping new players.

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But being able to clear Expert Level Trials is a requirement (Heavy /s)

I have never seen a party where mentors won't reply if people ask for help.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

I have never seen a party where mentors won't reply if people ask for help.

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It's that time of the year where one mentor said something offensive so all mentors should go to hell. The usual stuff.