SMN 5.1 Job adjustments

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Egi overall damage is so much better now. They carry weight in a fight rather than being just a Ruin IV proc.

DWT feels outdated at this point and SE really need to look at going the FBT route here in which it summons Demi--B and changes Outburst and Ruin III.

Ifrit still needs a gap closer on Crimson Cyclone and Flaming Crush should just be a single target.

Overall these change are good but I still think the flow needs work.

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DWT is now just a refresher for tridisaster once you're able to get to the point to be able to unlock and USE tridisaster. I've also noticed how brain-dead Demi-Bahamut is when you're stunned or immobilized, I WISH to high heaven that Demi-Bahamut can auto-attack it's abilities instead of just attacking when you're attacking. If the normal egis can auto-attack, why not effing Demi-Bahamut? It's a waste to summon him and suddenly you're either silenced/stunned/immobilized at the worst time possible and he just becomes a glorified hood ornament until he despawns.

I also wish DWT automatically SUMMONS Demi-Bahamut at the end of it's countdown - make it actually WORTH using than doing an extra step to manually summon Demi-B.

Playing it more....I don't think the Egi Assault change isn't bad. It's really good. Personally, it's just something to get used to.

But yes, the problem about it is how it affects the job's abilities, particularly Dreadwyrm Trance. It's more detached than ever because it doesn't synergize with it anymore, which makes it pretty redundant (I end up ending DWT immediately so I can spend my Egi Assault stacks, but not sure if I should really be doing that.), then there's the annoying part of Egi skills being locked from Demi summons, but overall it gives us so much mobility that SMN is barely a caster at this point.

I really hope they do something about these discrepancies.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Anyone have any suggestions for other DPS jobs that flow similarly to how SMN did in HW? I just want some perspectives on alternate DPS jobs to play instead of SMN as it is now.

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Both Black Mage and Red Mage are good, but there's a distinct lack of instant casts and ogcds.

The 5.1 changes are... pretty interesting. The GCD egi assaults are better than I expected. Was playing in neir raid and about 95% of the time I was running around because there's no need to hard cast any R3 besides dots when tri-disaster is down. Juggling between DWT, bahamut, and phoenix trance with all those instant spells feels good, but it actually feels weird to hard cast R3 now. I feel like I should move egi assaults 1 and 2 to my 1 and 2 keys and throw R3 somewhere else. They should increase R4 stacks to 6 or more because hard casting R3 in demi-bahamut after 4 R4s is a little annoying. Overall, the 5.1 changes are something I'm okay with.

I love them, myself. I love that Egi's are back to having some actual agency in a fight, and I love that we now seem to be commanding our mini-primal to do actual damage instead of piddling amounts. Still working through the GCD changes, but so far blowing them off first, then DWT'ing, then spamming Ruin 3, then Bahamut and burning your Ruin 4 stacks is working out well for me along with, y'know, weaving the OGCD's that we have. After that initial rush it evens out pretty well so that you've either got your assaults on cooldown during Demi-phases or you have at least one stack of them on cooldown so they aren't wasted.

Its a band-aid fix sure, but I am enjoying it.

Love the new class so far with the changes, having the pet to put its weight on damage and not just a filler, so far I changed it as my main from AST, still trying to get used to the new opener I was accostumed to pre patch openers with the fillers (doing the EG instead ruins on DWT)