O5N is unfair for pure healer

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

I dont like it at all, just keep me alive when im tanking it.
IT WOULD BE more beneficial to the party if i will be able to pull more than 3 groups of mobs and not die in the process.
Still you and the big part of the community require from the healers class to do more job than you do on the DPS class.
If the dps is so difficult, so why there is so big disparity in numbers of the players of each class?

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WHM here.

Sorry, but if your healers can't keep you alive while also DPSing, they are bad healers. I don't care how many years it takes you to understand this very simple piece of logic: It is a literal fact.

The abilities are there. If you are not using a global cooldown because no healing is necessary, you are objectively not doing anything. Not doing anything is objectively worse than causing damage to further advance the fight.

There is LITERALLY no debate about this. None. It's hilariously already decided.

I think the problem with expecting DPS from healers right now is that there are real noticeable differences in how much DPS the different healers can deal.

If this is a long term expectation SE wants for healers they need to normalize the amount of DPS healers can dish out.

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Originally Posted by Bobs

I think the problem with expecting DPS from healers right now is that there are real noticeable differences in how much DPS the different healers can deal.

If this is a long term expectation SE wants for healers they need to normalize the amount of DPS healers can dish out.

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Not really, so long as they balance damage based on healing potencies and utility besides. Which isn't being done, to be fair.

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Originally Posted by Bobs

I think the problem with expecting DPS from healers right now is that there are real noticeable differences in how much DPS the different healers can deal.

If this is a long term expectation SE wants for healers they need to normalize the amount of DPS healers can dish out.

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honestly this is a non-issue - the other day my friend whom was tanking yelled at me for stealing aggro and out dps'ing my other DPS friend (in jest of course).
White Mage's can do a scary amount of damage and still effectively heal. It's why I like calling it the psychotic healer. :)

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

honestly this is a non-issue - the other day my friend whom was tanking yelled at me for stealing aggro and out dps'ing my other DPS friend (in jest of course).
White Mage's can do a scary amount of damage and still effectively heal. It's why I like calling it the psychotic healer. :)

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Sure WHM and SCH are doing DMG in about equal terms. AST is consistently behind. Which over time may make it a non-job. Similar to how DRK is currently.

I suppose the solution is level up the meta job. But as I said if this is going to be the new long term norm they should make it equal.

Add: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15#class=Healers

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Originally Posted by Bobs

Sure WHM and SCH are doing DMG in about equal terms. AST is consistently behind.

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Because AST boosts the DPS of every other party member. Isn't current meta composition still AST+SCH too (and WHM for progression)?

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Which I can understand since it can be a foreign concept if you come from other games. But even me as someone who in the days of ARR was completely against healers needing to dps, I've come around to see it as a very nice bonus. It's something that people can't be forced into doing and they need to hopefully discover for themselves the benefits. Standing around just topping off a health bar gets boring and the devs went and made it even less stressful to throw in some damage.

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But this is a final fantasy game, and white mages have always historically had damaging abilities and in some instances close to the best damaging abilities.

Just think, even though this is obviously a joke, I'm sure the dev team will take it seriously and will cater to it... =w=

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

That does not change my experience with the healers in the game.
I had just too many situations where i had to pop up 2 cd's at the time and lifesteal/clemency for the sake of keeping me alive, because healer decided to do dps.I dont like it at all, just keep me alive when im tanking it.
IT WOULD BE more beneficial to the party if i will be able to pull more than 3 groups of mobs and not die in the process.

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Most people you meet randomly in the duty finder are bad. Has nothing to do with a healer doing DPS.
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Still you and the big part of the community require from the healers class to do more job than you do on the DPS class.
If the dps is so difficult, so why there is so big disparity in numbers of the players of each class?
Do not ask to do your job on someone who has different job than you, the game neither the developer does not ask a healer to do dps, its just a community fantasy that is unnecessary and bad especially in dungeon runs where you have to clear a lot of trash mobs in them. Letting me pull 1 more group would make it faster than few healers dots.

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If you are playing each job correctly, a DPS requires the most APM. Healer has the least required APM unless the tank is crazy bad. Has nothing to do with "hard" or "easy" dps requires you do the most actions per minute (APM) then other classes in this game, if your playing top game that is. It is obvious doing smallest pulls possible with the least damage output possible will just lead to 1 hr + clear times.

Any job can just hit 1 button and afk, but for some reason that confuses me to no end, people are lest insulted when healers do it.

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Originally Posted by Bobs

Sure WHM and SCH are doing DMG in about equal terms. AST is consistently behind. Which over time may make it a non-job. Similar to how DRK is currently.

I suppose the solution is level up the meta job. But as I said if this is going to be the new long term norm they should make it equal.

Add: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15#class=Healers

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Again, you are using fflogs but you don't understand how to use it properly. Those numbers are personal DPS only IE: with spells like Stone IV, Malefic III, Broil II etc. Those numbers do not count AST cards in them.

AST is lower for their personal DPS than the other healers since they have cards that buff the entire party IE: Balance Card. You can't make AST do as much personal DPS as WHM and SCH otherwise AST will be unbalanced and overpowered compared to WHM and SCH.