Selling Runs and Clears

Don't really see a reason to scream ban for account sharing, it already happens extremely often outside of sales with raiders finding pilots for their accounts to help fill in when they can't make it. There's no harm in it, just mutual benefit.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

They are banned for breaking the rules (real money trading). Just like the people selling clears cross-server (RMT) or buying clears by account sharing should be. Getting carried for free or for gil is not forbidden or harmful so there's no problem with that.

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Exactly this, if they are giving account info its a TOS violation, and if they are buying or selling clears from cross server groups with real money then its literally RMT and needs to be dealt with as such.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

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Clearly you have no idea how run selling works. You don't give the sellers any kind of log in information at all. Most groups just take you and ask to to die asap, and then just clear the fight with the 7 other people. I'd love to hear your reasoning for how run selling is tantamount to RMT as well.

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Clearly you didn't read my post...please bother to do so before you respond.
You don't need to sell runs...you volunteer your time and you get paid in bonus tomes for your trouble...its that simple. People who take it further than that are abusing the system.
Its too easy to get a PF together unsynch it and just get it done. I also find it incredibly suspicious to ask for out of game communication contact and not just rework the party finder to work what you need.

It may not be RMT...but it smells like it.

its a thing that happens in most mmos though this one has very little reason to do it

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

RMT = Real Money Trading
In game run sellers = In game gil only.

No difference huh?

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I'm curious as to why people would advertise selling runs over the entire PF then. How are they supposed to trade gil? They're clearly advertising clears for real money; there's no other way to pay them!

can we at least agree that Squeenix ought to be able to punish them for listing a party as Expert Roulette just to maintain visibility? it's blatant false listing.

The only issue I really have with this is when these people that bought their clear to be carried and don't learn anything about the content then join people's farming parties on that content because they "cleared" it and cant hold up their end of the battle.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Clearly you didn't read my post...please bother to do so before you respond.
You don't need to sell runs...you volunteer your time and you get paid in bonus tomes for your trouble...its that simple. People who take it further than that areabusing the system.
Its too easy to get a PF together unsynch it and just get it done. I also find it incredibly suspicious to ask for out of game communication contact and not just rework the party finder to work what you need.

It may not be RMT...but it smells like it.

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You are out of line, and the person you are quoting had a fitting reply. I do not know why you have such a bias personal grievance on this issue.

First off, queue selling should be completely fair no matter the spin you put on it. You are basically buying an express ticket for waiting in line, hell RL themeparks even do it.

For high end stuff, again it depends. It does have a negative effect if the following happens:

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

The only issue I really have with this is when these people that bought their clear to be carried and don't learn anything about the content then join people's farming parties on that content because they "cleared" it and cant hold up their end of the battle.

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That is the ONLY, ONLY problem it causes. If someone is buying say a mount, minion, achievement, whatever the reason may be, it is not rmt, there is nothing wrong with it, all you are doing is paying for someone's time.

Lastly ... run clearing services for bonus tomes? you clearly do not know how things work. No one would do such things for that, the bonus is a joke. The ONLY time that is a factor in anything is WT farming, outside that, no one cares, and current high end content is not in the WT book. We are not talking about the same thing when you bring up clearing for bonus tomes.

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Originally Posted by spagthetapdancer

can we at least agree that Squeenix ought to be able to punish them for listing a party as Expert Roulette just to maintain visibility? it's blatant false listing.

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Is false listing against any rules?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

The only issue I really have with this is when these people that bought their clear to be carried and don't learn anything about the content then join people's farming parties on that content because they "cleared" it and cant hold up their end of the battle.

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The issue is easily solved with kick/blacklist. You will never, ever see him again in your parties.