is it okay to not enjoy big pulls?

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

I've decided to give up tanking.

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:'(

I hope time will help you reconsider that decision.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

So a little update. I've decided to give up tanking. And after coming back to this thread I have to say I'm glad I did. I took up tanking wanting to contribute to my FC so I could help runs when the new player was a healer. But honestly I just can't birng my self to enjoy it. And honestly I don't feel bad in the slightest. I thought healers had it bad as far as being shit on by the community but I see now why we have so few tanks. You guys are the problem (except those of you who were supportive).


I could go on a long tangent on how DPS' as some of you have so eloquently suggested towards me 'grow up'. Dungeon runs do not revolve around you and long ques do not entitle you to a speed run. If you want to speed things up then start tanking or healing. Stop demanding other roles cater towards your incessant desire for a 10 minute run.

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I almost did that back in HW when the cancer that was HW Warrior+Vit Scaling drove the tanking meta to much more ridiculous heights. I don't blame you, but I'd say revisit it someday if patch notes pique your interests.

I'm adding my voice to the growing idea that Large Pulls aren't always enjoyable for all. My ideal is for the group to play to it's strengths.

When ARR was launched, /shout was where the community recruited members for Speed Runs. They weren't expected of the average player and requirements such as "must have relic" was a standard request.

"It's inconsiderate to the rest of the group if someone is not willing to preform thier role to it's maximum ability, you're wasting other people's time." I believe consideration should be given to the player's strength. It's along the lines of "We're as strong as our weakest member" but as compassionate and empathetic beings we are capable of facilitating all sorts.

We don't always know whose behind the avatar or what disabilities they may have. We can't account for how well someone know's their role and assumptions/expectations only lead to worthless confrontation.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

You guys are the problem.

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Transient_Shadow is right. The problem is us. We should be giving players the space they deserve to learn thier role, dungeon, mechanics, etc... Those who push for content to be performed a certain way (Looking at you guys pulling ahead of your tank!) should be the ones making a Party Finder.

This post is also a reminder to myself to be more patient and tolerant. I know I can get a bit pig headed at times. ;) Let's look out for each other, ya?

I also agree that snobbish parts of the community have created a social momentum wave that has done little more than push their optimized expectations into the random PuGing pool. and they're obnoxious.

it also produces inflated ideas of in terms of "expectation creep" as sperglords rarely know what social moderation is even spelled like.

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Originally Posted by spagthetapdancer

I almost did that back in HW when the cancer that was HW Warrior+Vit Scaling drove the tanking meta to much more ridiculous heights. I don't blame you, but I'd say revisit it someday if patch notes pique your interests.

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I personally DID quit tanking in HW due to my opinion of the str meta. I quit the game altogether during 2nd alex for other reasons. I did have renewed interest once they had fixed damage scaling to vit, but by the time I came back my tank was so far behind, and had all str gear since I had switched to drg, I couldn't even queue for content on war because I didn't meet ilvls lol. SB at least allowed me to "reset" to a certain extent, and haven't looked back since.

I think the OP and others are simplifying the view of the community a bit, certainly there were some trollish "grow up" type statements, but even most of those people would make exceptions towards people learning new content or learning new jobs in general. Asshats will always be asshats, of course, but the vast majority of people simply play along because people are generally non-confrontational. Even if they have a problem they aren't likely to voice it. (although, people can certainly be more confrontational thanks to the anonymity of the internet)

That being said, if you find big pulls stressful it won't be any easier in raids when you're getting your face smashed in, out of CDs and sitting on 2k health hoping to the Twelve your healer saves you in time. So maybe tanking is simply not for you, at least not at a high level. You said you only tanked to help your FC anyways, so unless your FC is the one grieving you about big pulls I don't really see why you'd stop tanking for them?

At the end of the day, what's fair is fair. You don't like big pulls? I don't like small pulls. We are each entitled to our own opinion. I agree with others about the meta being pushed into DF content, and that was certainly one of my original complaints about the str tanking meta at the time. But at the same, I understand and accept it for what it is. If a healer doesn't want me to do big pulls I won't, or if we fail a big pull I always say it's "my bad" first (even if it's not). It's simply about trying to accommodate what the community expects. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I personally DID quit tanking in HW due to my opinion of the str meta. I quit the game altogether during 2nd alex for other reasons. I did have renewed interest once they had fixed damage scaling to vit, but by the time I came back my tank was so far behind, and had all str gear since I had switched to drg, I couldn't even queue for content on war because I didn't meet ilvls lol. SB at least allowed me to "reset" to a certain extent, and haven't looked back since.

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I do like the middle point they've achieved currently. still plenty to hammer out but things are still largely stable atm.

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Originally Posted by Byonka

My ideal is for the group to play to it's strengths.

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This. IMO actual mastery of a class/role/whatever involves the capability to adjust.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

So a little update. I've decided to give up tanking. And after coming back to this thread I have to say I'm glad I did. I took up tanking wanting to contribute to my FC so I could help runs when the new player was a healer. But honestly I just can't birng my self to enjoy it. And honestly I don't feel bad in the slightest. I thought healers had it bad as far as being shit on by the community but I see now why we have so few tanks. You guys are the problem (except those of you who were supportive).


I could go on a long tangent on how DPS' as some of you have so eloquently suggested towards me 'grow up'. Dungeon runs do not revolve around you and long ques do not entitle you to a speed run. If you want to speed things up then start tanking or healing. Stop demanding other roles cater towards your incessant desire for a 10 minute run.

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Sorry it became a flame war.

I know I should probably just let it go, but I think I failed to add something before. I have actually done a run where I said to the party, "Hey guys, is it okay if I take it easy for this one?" and they were all cool with it. The healer was in fact happier because it meant she could watch TV and play at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Wyndam

I know I should probably just let it go, but I think I failed to add something before. I have actually done a run where I said to the party, "Hey guys, is it okay if I take it easy for this one?" and they were all cool with it. The healer was in fact happier because it meant she could watch TV and play at the same time.

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Like I said, at this point a 2 pack grab is standard. You asked your group if you can go against the standard and they were cool. Most groups will be. I just started lvling Drk. I tell my groups that I'm pretty new to drk and that I will be pulling one pack until I feel comfortable. Most groups are grateful for the heads up. Before I wasn't saying you need to always pull big, but working towards grabbing at least 2 packs should be a goal.

I'm a fresh lvl 70 paladin tank and had a healer tell me "Big pulls" in a kugane castle run. I don't do real big pulls unless my gear and or the healers gear is up to it. Other then that I pull small. The healer was well geared so I trusted him. I pulled at least 2 mobs and no more then that. The healer (who name shall not be disclosed) could not heal for s**t. Most of the time I would get really low (even through cd's) and end up dying. He wouldn't even res the dps (who were also well geared but stood in crap for whatever reason.) Basically all I can say is this. Tank at your own pace. If you feel confident pull big. If not pull small.