DPS why don't you know your rotations?

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Hold on let me quote you really quick on that.

You say I'm not playing the game as intended but yet you say stop caring about your DPS?

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The game gives you exactly one tool to "check your dps", those are the various training dummies in the game. If you care so much about big numbers use those. Ultimately knowing the perfect rotation is useless if the fight is not going to give you 15 seconds to execute it.

The game is intended to be played by learning, you see a certain AOE pattern in a previous dungeon, then you see it later. For example those "columns" that people have to stand in that the current level 70 content is fond of? Those were previous Raid mechanics. Various AOE's in the HW content, were telegraphed in earlier dungeons. If you never did the Raid's, then those were new to you.

Even within the same dungeon, the earlier mobs and bosses telegraph what the final boss is going to do.

The game is not about who can do the most damage or who can do the trial the fastest, it's who can pass the trial, period. If the game creates incentives for big numbers or low completion times, then the player base gets even more toxic.

Hell, if SE wanted to teach players to be less toxic, they would adjust the rewards to greater if the boss gets to complete all it's phases. If you manage to skip a phase, or kill the boss so fast that the boss room doesn't get to close, then maybe that shouldn't be rewarded.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The game gives you exactly one tool to "check your dps", those are the various training dummies in the game. If you care so much about big numbers use those. Ultimately knowing the perfect rotation is useless if the fight is not going to give you 15 seconds to execute it..

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You still ignore the importent part of my post then. Just because you can do everything whenever you want on a dummy, doesn't mean you should in a fight. Let's say DRG lvl70. Nastrond > 320 potency. You can do it either 2 times or 1 time, which is better? Obviously 2 times. If you used it right before the boss is disappearin you would only do it 1 time, which is a 320 potency skill lost out of no where. Would you pop b4b when boss is about to disappear again? No. Why? 20 sec duration > 8 sec duration.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The game is not about who can do the most damage or who can do the trial the fastest, it's who can pass the trial, period. If the game creates incentives for big numbers or low completion times, then the player base gets even more toxic.

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So you say it's fine to wipe till it's almost end of duty, since it's about to die on last pull with 25% echo? Do you even realize what you just said here? If I farm soemthing, I expect things to die fast. Farming means doing things fast not slow. Whoever does a farm wants 7-10 kills an hour instead of 2. Why are you even playing a game with huge pve content?

Your logic is: If we farm fast we are elitist toxic players, if we kill 1 trial every 30 min with full echo we aren't. Okay....Your logic makes no sense.

Again, you sponsor something I wouldn't exactly be proud of and I'm glad most people can also see it, unless they are blindfolded by your logic.

Are there even DPS meter programs for this game?
I know in other games, when people run meters, it gives people an incentive at bragging rights to be the "highest-dps"/winner at dps..
Knowing your in the top dps, is rewarding.

I have yet to run across any meter usage in this game, so I just DPS my heart out, following the best combo's in regards to what my skills say.. and attempt to take aggro off tanks(at least once during fights)...now when that does happen either i'm wrecking face or the tank is failing at aggro management xD, I like to think the prior is happening.

most casual players dont like short term buffs, debuffs, and DoTs.

Which a lot of classes rely on.

Just guide them to RDM, and they will be happy.

On a side note, the leveling content isnt hard enough to force actually doing the rotation thats best.
Every person I know who refuses to do their rotations, do this because "its not hard enough to require that much effort" (goes back to netflix)

Then they get to endgame, and its not muscle memory, and they mess up their rotations like crazy. (not boss mechanics)

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

On a side note, the leveling content isnt hard enough to force actually doing the rotation thats best.
Every person I know who refuses to do their rotations, do this because "its not hard enough to require that much effort" (goes back to netflix)

Then they get to endgame, and its not muscle memory, and they mess up their rotations like crazy. (not boss mechanics)

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Silly argument.

Even as a good player that knows their rotation, it is drilled in your memory that it's almost hard to mess it up. More like it becomes so awkward to even play it wrong or out of sequence. Like playing current Dragoon rotation correctly, and then going to something abysmal is pretty lousy.

Just that the ones that never read the tooltips start out lousy and never get better, or maybe they are just hitting random buttons. Surely they aren't playing hard enough when they lose GCDs.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

What's honestly stopping you? Genuinely curious.

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They've spent the last 2 expansions expecting the healers and tanks to do all the damage while they just loligagged about hitting random buttons.

Now they actually have to learn what the buttons do...

For NOW at least it's likely got a lot to do with people playing new stuff. How many people do you think used a jump and their way of learning was to do dungeons? lol

I used one to jump my SMN but it really only takes 30 minutes or so moving stuff around, reading tooltips, and playing on some striking dummies to figure out at least a passable rotation if not optimal. That's how I figured out RDM too. You don't necessarily NEED a guide. You can figure it out by trying stuff. Hey every cast grants a free cast, what's the best way to optimize that? Man these Verthunder and Veraero casts are so long. If only there was... AHA! etc..

I dont get why people say new rotations are harder to grabs or take long. I understand completely there is new rotations but they have lowered the scaling of it. There is no more second dots on classes for melees, there is less waving of Off global cds, there is less ''out of the box'' rotations and more straight forward. What about those who played HW for over a year? Most couldn't grasp those rotation, so it's a little bit silly arguement that people can't get the new rotations. Yes some learn slower than others, but then again it took people over a year to play their class and still couldn't grasp it. Doing a dummy doesn't give you the same amount of dmg or slightly lower in fights, far from it. People I know who does dummy strike easy (sss) fail to perform subpar in actuall content.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Doing a dummy doesn't give you the same amount of dmg or slightly lower in fights, far from it. People I know who does dummy strike easy (sss) fail to perform subpar in actuall content.

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Of course it's not the same as an actual fight, but it can certainly give you an idea of what your optimal rotation or priority is. The only other option outside of doing dungeons to learn (which is what a lot of people are complaining about to begin with) is to do fates or something to get a feel, which is a decent option as you have to react and it's more active than a striking dummy, but they do still help you get the basics down easily.

One benefit I've found with striking dummies and target dummies in WoW are the same, is that I can just roll through my rotation or priority list for long period of time to train muscle memory to new keybinds. Also to help me determine if I need to move them. "I use this a lot, so let's switch it to M5 and I'll move that spell to an alt modifier key since I only use it once per minute after they changed it."

The expansion came out a week ISH ago and do you expect people to know all their rotations and what else? Of course let people LEARN

Sadly the VAST majority of players are COPY & PASTE from guides and YouTube.

This game forces you to "learn" fast or you will fall behind hence running to YouTube or online guides.

What annoys me is the people who create a PF and request you to watch a video before joining??? Are people brain dead? Take your time and BLOODY LEARN THE FIGHT AND LEARN YOUR ROTATIONS. And this is coming from people who believe that are pro ... No dears you are all a copy paste.