do people hate tanking?

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Tank is defacto leader. They need to know what even dps and healers may not care about, and need to be able to take a LOT of criticism. Largely a thankless job.

I PLD.

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I don't agree with you on largely thankless job. They do indeed have to take a lot of criticism, but that is just depends on player. Any jobs will take criticism. Not to mention healers.. Every jobs are special, they have different set of skills and rotations, they also contribute differently. That's where I believe in player knowledge and quick reflexes, but people usually take things like criticism personal rather than Proffetional - and that is an issue I think. So I won't be surprised if people find it insulting. But that is just the way it is.. players don't value other players and think that they can play however they want.

One thing I've yet to really understand is how DPS can find the time to pull more mobs for things to go faster, but pulling more mobs means they are not DPSing. And then if I and the healer let them die, that is just MORE wasted time. Seriously...if you want to go faster as a DPS or healer or W/e just kill whats in front of you faster and it WILL go faster. The difference can't be more than 3-4 mins out of a 30 min run. That is 10% faster for about 100% more stress. Not a good trade for folks playing a video game.

If you want an AE Armageddon, ask.

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Originally Posted by Erdgeist

I often avoid tanking when first-timing something just so I don't screw the whole party over if I mess up.
And it's never fun tanking for peeps who complain about every little thing or expect you to do things exactly the way they want, or when both DPS and the healer are all hitting completely different adds (best).

But other than that, I'd say it can be pretty fun! It's nice being able to set the pace of the dungeon.
(And I still dig those flashy wild MRD/WAR axe swings.)

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That can be an annoying part of tanking. On a team with melee DPS and a strong healer, they may prefer if you just hold your position and keep the mobs as stable as possible for max DPS. Then the next group has an insecure healer that doesn't care about the stability of the mobs and insists you let no AoE touch you and you end up running all over the place with the mobs in tow to the detriment of the Dragoon trying to target backs.

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

I don't agree with you on largely thankless job. They do indeed have to take a lot of criticism, but that is just depends on player. Any jobs will take criticism. Not to mention healers.. Every jobs are special, they have different set of skills and rotations, they also contribute differently. That's where I believe in player knowledge and quick reflexes, but people usually take things like criticism personal rather than Proffetional - and that is an issue I think. So I won't be surprised if people find it insulting. But that is just the way it is.. players don't value other players and think that they can play however they want.

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Healers don't have any stress at all. If they're new to an instance they just don't hit cleric stance as much. Well, unless you're sch, in which case you're officially a DPS with a healer pet. Tanks first timing an instance have a lot more to learn than DPS or healers when it comes to effectively using their cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Healers don't have any stress at all. If they're new to an instance they just don't hit cleric stance as much. Tanks first timing an instance have a lot more to learn than DPS or healers when it comes to effectively using their cooldowns.

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It is not my intention to discuss possibilities here by saying "if that player is new". Because you can get away with anything like that. In the end, everyone get criticized. But if you read my previous comment carefully, I'm supporting tankers by saying "they are not thankless job" and "they take a lot of criticism". But healers and DPS take too. If they don't time their skills and CD, entire run will go slow or even wipe. People just don't pay attention or don't care sometimes about DPS or healer pushing hard (unless elite team). But playing a tanker is stressful because ur the one who leading and have to count on other people, which is hard in DF.

While leveling my WAR I have encountered some weird things:
Have people ask for bigger AND smaller pulls in the same run. Since it was the heal asking for smaller ones I did so but in led to our DPS quitting. Clearly the tanks fault.
Heal cast regen before tank has a chance to reach the mobs. Does not stop and complain about aggro the whole run. Clearly the tanks fault.

The list is endless.

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do people hate tanking?

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I don't. It's my favorite role actually. What I DO hate though is [paraphrase]"This tank sucks. I'm able to pull from boss to boss with no healer in all white gear, and with only one arm since I tore up my other one saving my son from falling off a cliff."[/paraphrase] I'm very loss-averse, and I could've thought of MUCH better ways to spend my time than to have to run with gods for the umpteenth time. >.<

P.S. To be fair, I see this mentality more often in WoW, where they outgear content considerably more than this game. I can't recall it ever happening here, but you get the idea...

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Originally Posted by Anienai

I have two toons with multiple tanking classes leveled.

60 war
60 drk
52 pld
60 pld
50 war
33ish drk

I enjoy taking it in the face.

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"Toon" *vomits* Sorry, back to the discussion.

I like playing as tank in party, But always having a loaded gun on my neck -> the party that want everything faster or they yell like 5years olds, makes no fun at all.
I wish there would be more invisible walls against those "speed" runner >_>

I think its because tanks have the largest room for error in the learning process. When people are learning to tank, others may be inconsiderate or if you cause the group to wipe several times you may lose confidence yourself.

Then there is the rumor of how terrible the DF is for tanks. I however have not seen that and I use DF all the time as a tank.

There is also the fact that as a tank you have to know the mechanics almost to a science in some instances and where adds spawn, etc. And many people just dont have time for that.