Skills/spells you see no reason to use since you got to 60?

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

I think she was more of saying if you had 2 oGDCs ruinII could be nice, also if you need to uncleric and heal it puts the dot up so theirs that. It has uses just peghole uses it sounds. Many Dps are all about weaving which might be the mindset also.

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Broil 180 potency. Ruin II 80 potency. Let's assume ruin is casted on 2.5 seconds and broil is casted on 3.5 seconds (not by a long shot, but let's assume for a moment you gain an entire second from weaving).

Broil = 51 potency/second.
Ruin II = 32 potency/second.

And I'm really, really, really being generous with an entire second here. The entire point of weaving stuff is optimizing damage, if you don't, there's no point in weaving, why is it so hard to understand...

SCH: I never use Dissipation when on battle until now. Still can't find the emergency moment to use it.

SMN: Tri-Bind for PvP stuff.

AST: Stella is just for PvP stuff.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Broil 180 potency. Ruin II 80 potency. Let's assume ruin is casted on 2.5 seconds and broil is casted on 3.5 seconds (not by a long shot, but let's assume for a moment you gain an entire second from weaving).

Broil = 51 potency/second.
Ruin II = 32 potency/second.

And I'm really, really, really being generous with an entire second here. The entire point of weaving stuff is optimizing damage, if you don't, there's no point in weaving, why is it so hard to understand...

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You know what I mean by double weaving right? or are you just going to ignore the main point of it all, your right, if it's just a an Energy Drain Broil is better, but Broil + Energy Drain + Aetherflow or Broil + Energy Drain + Swiftcast is a big disruption to your GCD.

But sod it, I feel like I'm talking to a broken record here, lets just put it down to dick measuring, how much do you parse on A1 Savage?

Before I reach A1S I will have to work on my gears...when I am at that level and if parsers are allowed officially maybe I will let you know then, maybe.

For the rest, I dont go about like you at all, and still believe for me dissipation to be useless...no arm done if you believe it to be good.

Mei

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Before I reach A1S I will have to work on my gears...when I am at that level and if parsers are allowed officially maybe I will let you know then, maybe.

For the rest, I dont go about like you at all, and still believe for me dissipation to be useless...no arm done if you believe it to be good.

Mei

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Oh no sorry, that wasn't meant for you, I didn't disagree with your opinion, I even up voted you :)

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Originally Posted by Zfz

I wish these less used older spells could somehow be used to "link up" the level 60 rotation for when we have to move. For example having Fire4 give 10 seconds instant Freeze, and let Freeze extend Enochian for 10 seconds or something like that. Or having Thunder jump to every target within 5m when the main target it hits is frozen in place.

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I actually really like this idea. And I feel that it fits the overall theme of black mage which seems to be "fire = damage" "ice = utility". In a perfect world, you would be able to stand in one spot and light things up, but when mechanics happen (like they always do) ice and thunder could shine by preventing your dps from plummeting.

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Originally Posted by Miscreant

You know what I mean by double weaving right? or are you just going to ignore the main point of it all, your right, if it's just a an Energy Drain Broil is better, but Broil + Energy Drain + Aetherflow or Broil + Energy Drain + Swiftcast is a big disruption to your GCD.

But sod it, I feel like I'm talking to a broken record here, lets just put it down to dick measuring, how much do you parse on A1 Savage?

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I usually don't double weave, this game's animations are clunky, and for some reason when I try it, sometimes my animation jumps off but gets cancelled, if I try to say energy drain and immediately after atherflow and then broil again, this happens many times:

1 - Aetherflow animation jumps off but is cancelled halfway through the animation and doesn't happen.
2 - Broil is cancelled by aetherflow (server delay).

As for this disruption you speak of, I only understand it as either: a DPS loss or not.

I parse 250-300 on A1S depending on if I let my WHM enter with his opener. I parse 1100-1200 on A2S on the first pulls, but it drops considerably after the two widows pull, you know, when that single jag doll appears, only to be followed by 4 more on the next pull (impossible to DPS there), at that point, I'm around 700. On the last pull, I'm somewhere between 450-500.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

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I get where your coming from with the delay it's really tricky to get right, and sometimes it does mess up, I find the Ruin II + Energy Drain + Swiftcast usually goes off smoothly into the Shadwflare but Ruin II + Energy Drain + Aetherflow to be a gamble.

I usually parse around 900 as the second Oppressor spawns and finish the fight somewhere between 350 (my worst) and 385 (my best)

I haven't got my A2 clear yet as our Tank fell ill as Savage opened, because of it we only started raiding this Saturday, had 2 A1 kills so far and are really close to A2 though.

But anyway to tie up our disagreement, I'm not saying Ruin II is better than Broil by any means, just that in those certain situations it has it's purpose. If you still think differently then we can agree to disagree :D

Blizzard and Thunder is used as a filler while waiting for mana ticks. Which one to use depends on if you have Thunder ticking and the duration remaining, and your current mana.

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Originally Posted by Sacerdos

Isn't Convert part of the optimal BLM opener?

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Yes, and it's used again at three minute mark when all your cooldowns line up. Mechanics withstanding, of course.

Well I was a big fan of Ruin II in 2.0. I'd use it every time to weave in my autoattacks and the occasional energy drains (which are now irrelevant in 3.0 because the mage's autoattacks haven't scaled properly...).
Not much stuff to weave other than as you've said swiftcast + shadow flare, but really, even there, it's kind of arguable, because using swiftcast to shadow flare on a tricky phase only for someone to fail and die makes me feel like a dick lol (e.g phase 2 add phase of A1S). As for stuff like virus, eye for an eye or sacred soil, I tend to want them on very specific moments, so I try to land them appropriately rather than using them on the middle of a Ruin II... also, it's not even cost efficient mana wise, and our spells' mana cost has raised dramatically, so that's another thing to consider. Basically, I have replaced Ruin II for broil, it's not even on my hotbar, so I guess we can agree to disagree lol <.<.