Airship Guide

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

For those who are using the sheet to record voyages - please don't forget to include the rating for your final sector! A few people have been forgetting to do so. I can use their exp totals to deduce what their rating had to have been, but it's still nice not to have to.

EDIT: I have now made the spreadsheet, at least for now, highlight sectors that do not have a rating entered.

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That's awesome XD I know I forgot to enter mine once but I caught it.

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Originally Posted by Arcticharm

This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.

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Can't fully describe how awesome that was XD

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Originally Posted by Yarem

Bad news...

Ship returned from 6->5->2 with A rating and bonus in every sector(6 =150%, 5= 50%,2 = 100%) but neighter 11 or 7 was found. :/.

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I was starting to get curious about the theory too, the first few data points seemed to suggest there was some promise. Since then I've also found some disconfirming data as well. It was a good theory! We've been able to conclude that proximity is important. Beyond that, my best guess is that Forecastle improves the odds of finding a new sector, as we've been speculating about for some time now. We've had at least one person say they got as high as sector 6 on just the bronco forecastle but there might still be some RNG too it.

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Originally Posted by Yarem

Sector 5 where i expected a discovery, got bonus but rating was abysmal with replacement of parts recommended message...

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This is a message you got in your flight log? :O I hadn't seen that yet, can you do a screenshot?

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Originally Posted by Arcticharm

Sorry to hear that! We personally had the same result last night, we had sent out to only sector 5 to try to discover 7 but were unsuccessful. We got a substandard rating which I think I’ve seen other people get AND still discover areas. Upon closer review the line about violent turbulence says “Airship surveillance levels unaffected, but EXPLORATORY CAPABILITIES may be significantly hindered.” so maybe that has something to do with it. We sent it back out on the route to 5 -> 6 so I'll know some more this evening. We haven't been able to complete our invincible forecastle yet but I'm thinking that we might need to lean hard on it and get it done just to advance :-/ Banzai, we may have found one of the walls :p Will keep updating with findings.

Looking at the spreadsheet, it appears that all entries that have found new sectors (so far) have mostly had satisfactory end results(except possibly line 5) from the Sector of interest AND have seen violent and high winds, with high winds being the 2nd entry before discovery of the new sector, so perhaps slight hindrance still allows for discovery of new sectors while significant hindrance does not?

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At the very least it is consistent with reports! Seems worthwhile to keep recommending the forecastle upgrade then for unlocking sectors, although keep us updated! \o/

As for the wind conditions, you raise another really interesting theory, lets keep an eye on the data!

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Originally Posted by Arcticharm

Sorry to hear that! We personally had the same result last night, we had sent out to only sector 5 to try to discover 7 but were unsuccessful. We got a substandard rating which I think I’ve seen other people get AND still discover areas. Upon closer review the line about violent turbulence says “Airship surveillance levels unaffected, but EXPLORATORY CAPABILITIES may be significantly hindered.” so maybe that has something to do with it. We sent it back out on the route to 5 -> 6 so I'll know some more this evening. We haven't been able to complete our invincible forecastle yet but I'm thinking that we might need to lean hard on it and get it done just to advance :-/ Banzai, we may have found one of the walls :p Will keep updating with findings.

Looking at the spreadsheet, it appears that all entries that have found new sectors (so far) have mostly had satisfactory end results(except possibly line 5) from the Sector of interest AND have seen violent and high winds, with high winds being the 2nd entry before discovery of the new sector, so perhaps slight hindrance still allows for discovery of new sectors while significant hindrance does not?

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That trip of mine to sector 05, unlocking 06, is really working against the turbulence theory. I had violent turbulence, but still found 06 on my first attempt.

What I think will really help crack the unlock conditions is to include a new column in the spreadsheet where people can list what sectors they have already discovered. Just don't list 01 and 02 - we start with those unlocked, so those aren't interesting. (Err, you do start with 02 unlocked, right? <_< I didn't send our ship out the first time, so I just realized I'm not actually sure about that!) Please either fill this new column out completely or leave it blank - don't put in some sectors but not others, it'll skew the data. With this extra information, we should be able to tell if RNG is involved, or if it's just a function of surveillance, rating, and/or wind.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

That trip of mine to sector 05, unlocking 06, is really working against the turbulence theory. I had violent turbulence, but still found 06 on my first attempt.

What I think will really help crack the unlock conditions is to include a new column in the spreadsheet where people can list what sectors they have already discovered. Just don't list 01 and 02 - we start with those unlocked, so those aren't interesting. (Err, you do start with 02 unlocked, right? <_< I didn't send our ship out the first time, so I just realized I'm not actually sure about that!) Please either fill this new column out completely or leave it blank - don't put in some sectors but not others, it'll skew the data. With this extra information, we should be able to tell if RNG is involved, or if it's just a function of surveillance, rating, and/or wind.

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I'm thinking that you found it on the 2nd attempt in that sector. You had violent wind for the first try but then only had high wind for the 2nd item and you ended the sector with a satisfactory rating. It's only a theory of course so if we find some good data against it, I'm all for scratching it off the list. (I'm assuming we're both talking about line 37 of the master log). Let me know if I'm wrong on that assumption.

I'll add the sectors we have unlocked to the sheet :)

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

What I think will really help crack the unlock conditions is to include a new column in the spreadsheet where people can list what sectors they have already discovered.

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Having some way to know which reports had the potential to unlock a sector is important, but I'm wondering if listing all previously unlocked sectors will get a tad unwieldy (especially as we unlock more sectors). I've been trying to indicate in my own reports which trips actually had a potential to unlock a sector.

It might also be inferred using the name of the ship, if they've kept a steady log and reported their sectors previously unlocked. I suppose we could just include the steady reporters in the sector unlock analysis. But you are the spreadsheet wizard, this is your call!

Well I've been able to reproduce the bug that someone reported where the name of the sector discovered is one thing before finalizing the report and another thing after finalizing :D

Before:
http://i.imgur.com/xHRNLQE.png

After:
http://i.imgur.com/M8u3Bux.png

It is worth noting that it IS possible to unlock sector 05 from this sector (02), it just didn't happen on this trip! I'm starting to think the Mammet isn't qualified to be writing these reports :D

Now to see if the SE staffers are reading our guide/forums XD

Of note, you discovered a new sector with a substandard rating. What was the wind JUST before it?

This might be a good time to mention best practice to screen capture logs on the front of the guide...

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Originally Posted by Arcticharm

Now to see if the SE staffers are reading our guide/forums XD

Of note, you discovered a new sector with a substandard rating. What was the wind JUST before it?

This might be a good time to mention best practice to screen capture logs on the front of the guide...

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We actually hit violent turbulence on our first node and had insufficient airship condition to get the second. What would you consider best practice?

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Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni

This is a message you got in your flight log? :O I hadn't seen that yet, can you do a screenshot?

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Complete last trip: Album
Picture with messageReplacement of parts recommended

Exploration of sea of clouds - sector 5 finished. Performance of the airship was rated as insufficient/ unsatisfactory. The the replacement of airship parts is recommended.

But it seems its just a normal rating in german, i got this sometimes at the beginning.

This are the german rating texts i got so far:

worst -> best

Unersuchung von Zielort <Destination> mit äußerst wenig zufriedenstellender Leistung abgeschlossen (0%)
Unersuchung von Zielort <Destination> abgeschlossen. Die Leistung des Luftschiffs wurde als nicht ausreichend bewertet. Der Austausch von Bauteilen empfiehlt sich(50%)
Untersuchung von Zielort <Destination> abgeschlossen. Die Leistung des Luftschiffs wurde als zufriedenstellend bewertet. (100%)
Untersuchung von Zielort <Destination> abgeschlossen. Die Leistung des Luftschiffs wurde als gut bewertet. (150%)

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Originally Posted by Yarem

Exploration of sea of clouds - sector 5 finished. Performance of the airship was rated as insufficient/ unsatisfactory. The the replacement of airship parts is recommended.

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Wow, I've never seen that message, I wonder if there are differences between the translation or it just isn't a common message?

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Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni

We actually hit violent turbulence on our first node and had insufficient airship condition to get the second. What would you consider best practice?

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Just to take pictures of the log to refer back to or provide for additional analysis. You already mention the glitch on the front page so we should be ok there. I didn't think to take screen shots till after people started posting them here and in hindsight I wish I had. It would be great to get before and after pics of the log like you did proving that the glitch is real.