Jobs you feel yoshi and team got wrong

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

BRD, just BRD. You only have 4 songs, of which only 3 are usuable in combat, and 2 of those are extremely situational. You also don't have access to any support spells like Stoneskin or Raise, which would help with the support 'feel' that most would expect from BRD...things 1.0 let them have from what I heard. Until they get those back, BRD will never feel right to me.

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This.

The sound my face made when it crashed into my desk following Bard using another shooty skill in the Benchmark was not pleasant. I know they said we're getting more than 2 skills come 60, but still... If they'd shown off a new Song I'd have been cheering... Instead I'm reminded that Bard is 90% Ranger 10% Bard...

Sadly I don't think Bard is ever going to change. They wont add Ranger for the same reasons they wont add Thief, and since Jobs vastly outweigh Classes, the Jobs end up being both instead of being able to use the Class as well, allowing the Job to do something vastly different. We'll have a Bard that is always a bit too much Ranger, rather than having more support through Songs, and a Ninja which... Well hopefully Mug is the end of it, though I'll always think of what could have been (Thief evasion tank, stealing the enemies attention, oh my!), still stuck with not-a-lot of Ninja looking weapons though...

I look at some of the concept art and see characters using drums and flutes and... Meh...

Okay I guess its my time to say something new. I wont compalin about summoners, bards or ninjas. I like em.
My problem is with Black Mages and Monks.
You are this scary dark wizard that uses forbidden techniques to tear voidsent a new one. Yet only two out of the five job specific abilities are attacks. I generally fight with me thaumaturge abilities. BLM does not differ that much from Thurge. Say what you will about summoners but at least you summon different creatures compared to arcanist. Except for Swiftsong all bard songs are exclusive to bard. And ninjas may not be like in FFXI (thank god) but the mudras make them very unique. Dragoons also have their iconic jumps. Yes they are impractical with animation lock and everything, but I totally feal like a dragoon and not like a lancer.
This brings me to Monk. Again, it is not that different from a pugilist. One new punch here, one new kick there and here you go. Monks dont have an identity. Sure, they have their lore, but it doesnt translate into gameplay.

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You are entitled to your opinion sir...
I say DD because its what I prefer to say...I prefer WAR to be a damage dealer as opposed to a tank...GLD would be the none magical version of paladin, (think of roman gladiators)...and I referenced XI and FFT because no other game IMO portrays jobs the way SE does, and XI and FFT and FF6 stand as my fav FF titles.

Warrior... by far. A tank? Really? What exactly is defensive about deciding to swing around a giant axe? Upcoming DKs will be using Dark Magic or whatever so its plausible maybe. Just seems to me Warrior shoudve (and probably wouldve) been a DD if they wouldnt otherwise be low on tanks.

Bard. /sigh ... my favorite archetype, ruined by dressing them up like a medieval fool and making them play folk music instead of just being a sharpshooting badass. I guess theyre still technically a sharpshooting badass... and if you can ignore the songs or the craptastic AF gear its not all THAT bad. Hopefully theyll progressively 'fix' that moving forward. Already getting a new LB which I am personally looking forward to. EDIT: Haha, seems im the only one who doesnt like the Bard parts of the actual Bard. :P

I love the people coming in to tell the guy that this isn't FFXI or telling him to go play FFXI as if he is comparing games so vastly different like DDR and Super Mario World. Same universe, same races, different mechanics. Anyone who says otherwise is just delusional and just wants to hate on FFXI cause a bunny killed them and they went into rage mode.

While I would really like to agree with the WAR comments in here... PLD in FFXI was an advanced job and WAR was the original tank until people got to 30 and started going with PLD instead. So WAR being a tank isn't that much of a stretch, not to mention with the way this game is set up, imagine what the queue times would be if PLD was the only available tank. So SOMETHING had to give and I can agree that WAR would be the best option to fill that spot.

BRD though needs to be split and be given more support abilities then add RNG to cover the ranged portion.

MNK just seems thrown together without a lot of thought put into it. One Ilm Punch is useless, stacks of greased lightning falling off too easily during mechanics like Titan jumping or Leviathan going under the water, and a rotation where if you want to do max dps you have to do a cardio workout across your keyboard.

Just my opinions.

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Originally Posted by Dinh

MNK just seems thrown together without a lot of thought put into it. One Ilm Punch is useless, stacks of greased lightning falling off too easily during mechanics like Titan jumping or Leviathan going under the water, and a rotation where if you want to do max dps you have to do a cardio workout across your keyboard.

Just my opinions.

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Whats so bad about One Ilm Punch? Yeah its situational and all but useless against bosses but its nice being able to remove a buff in a pinch. I do hate that dancing around stuff. It would be cool if maybe MNKs were among the top DPS for all the extra work but it sure doesnt seem that way. Kind of an odd mechanic for the class to be doing any sneak attacks like say, a NIN. Not to mention how none of it works while solo'ing. Hmm, maybe MNK shouldve been the tank with WAR being DD....

... been thinking of switching jobs once im done with story. Probably NIN since at least they can at least open from behind plus keep all the same gloam gear.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Funny thing...in games outside of Final Fantasy, Bards make decent archers. In fact it's only in the final fantasy games and ones not played well in other settings that the "squishy bard" stigma developed.
Why WOULDN'T a class that needs to sing take up the bow instead of the sword?

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Old school bards are also good with daggers and swords. And crossbows. Pillars of Eternity has a bard that wields an arquebus. Imagine that. :D

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Originally Posted by KayoZ

Hmm, maybe MNK shouldve been the tank with WAR being DD....

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You have no idea how strongly I feel about this. I get a huge high in the moments I can hold hate as my MNK while the tank is coming back to life, or when I'm in open world with friends. It just feel's like MNK was meant to tank, whereas my whole focus on WAR is how much damage I can pump out.

Hell aren't the PGL the muscle for the Platinum Club next to the guild?

Going even further. Aren't the MNK's described as a main defending force of Ala Mhingo, where as the WAR's are described as berserkers struggling to keep their inner beast in check?

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

Going even further. Aren't the MNK's described as a main defending force of Ala Mhingo, where as the WAR's are described as berserkers struggling to keep their inner beast in check?

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Dont know about that but I do remember reading about 1.0 MNKs being a sort of off-tank while deciding what class to play for ARR. Ah well, doubt itll change now unless we get talent specs in the future.

I'd say splitting the elements between WHM/BLM was not good; especially since NIN has access to all elements