Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

SE could always solve the issue with a ilvl cap on all content to the top tome purchasable gear ilvl (IE 120 atm) so that their precious raid gear was only full strength in raid? you know the whole 4 fights per 6 month period.
Aww, dont like that, well if you dont need 130 in other content, then why you about to complain?

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You...realize that you're shooting your own foot right? Or at least your fellow non coil goers? Current highest relevant content other than coil are the primals and wod. Raiders with coil gear will have zero problems trouncing any of these with capped i120, people who don't raid might not be able to. I don't know what is it you're trying to prove here, other than your blatant hatred for raiders apparently clouding your judgement.

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Originally Posted by KarmaCha

Should WoD be upgraded to i130?

I don't care. And neither should you, really.

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I'm not gonna argue hard for what I think on this but creating i130s for wod does create more bloat on the overall item list and if it does get added, people would expect them to be dye-able. Now I don't know if they make things inherently dye-able when they make gear models before deciding they are dye-able or not in the game but it it's not, it's extra work, minuscule or not. There WERE graphical bugs on items that weren't even messed with when we jumped versions several patches back so it's additional risk regardless (there's 30+ of them too, discounting the belt).

But seriously, people asking for this are asking for the wrong things imo. The issue is the terrible stats on the best gear in the first place. People should be up in arms about that (harder). Better yet, each class has 4+ secondary stats related to them and only one is put on the pedestal, one is treated a necessary baggage, the rest is tolerated and generally the last one is treated like some kind of red headed step child. People should be campaigning for reworking of the system. The pipes are leaking and people are screaming for a bigger duct tape...

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

Well perhaps if the 'raiders' stopped thinking of themselves as so special for a minute and realized there are others playing the game, we wouldnt have such a toxic community.

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Perhaps if the non-raiders stopped thinking of themselves as so special for a minute and realized there are others playing this game, we wouldn't have such a toxic community.

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Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine

"look what I have that you don't. worship me and kiss my feet you filthy losers."

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I haven't seen a single person in this thread say something that acted this way. You're putting words in peoples mouths making assumptions about them while willfully ignoring the actual words coming out of their mouths. This is prejudice in action and it's worse than the elite raiders people like you despite.

How the hell did this turn into a 14 page long argument?
some one came up an idea that would benefit the entire player base, upgrading current gear.
how is this detrimental to anybodies playing experience?

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Originally Posted by Yukariko

How the hell did this turn into a 14 page long argument?
some one came up an idea that would benefit the entire player base, upgrading current gear.
how is this detrimental to anybodies playing experience?

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Because people get in a mood when someone else can get something similar to what they had, but much easier...hence why we all call them elitists as they think people should do what they had to do in order to gain better gear, instead of waiting and doing the easy way.

I bet 90% of so called raiders have done hunts non stop to get mark logs since they came out. Instead of doing the raids.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

I bet 90% of so called raiders have done hunts non stop to get mark logs since they came out. Instead of doing the raids.

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I swear, someone can make a show called "Non raiders says the darndest things" with quotes like these and they can win awards for best comedy every year.

*doesn't read 14 pages*

I honestly don't see the problem of this if the carbon stuff (or at least the twine) was exclusively available in coil. Nothing ingame is stated specifically that the carbonstuff is made specifically for ironworks gear (it's used to enhance gems/jewelery or "almost anything")...just the fact that its allagan ingeunity and beyond human reckoning.

Gear already has different stat budgeting, and in the case for bard and summoner, both dreadwyrm and ironworks are saturated with skill speed and seems pretty nonsensical to have to use a lower ilvl item, outside of enhancing it further (materia) or accuracy cap to stat optimal. If carbontwine (and by extension, ilvl130gear) was still exclusive to coil, then why not? The problem is...it's not *stares at hunts*.

Another thing is that it's fine as catch up content too, but we're still within the same content cycle and expansion is still some ways off.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Because people get in a mood when someone else can get something similar to what they had, but much easier...hence why we all call them elitists as they think people should do what they had to do in order to gain better gear, instead of waiting and doing the easy way.

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yeah and it really saddens me that that so many seem to think that way.

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I bet 90% of so called raiders have done hunts non stop to get mark logs since they came out. Instead of doing the raids.

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very very true. Any arguments about haves and have nots in this game should all be completely derailed by the fact that upgrade items are available un capped via mindless hunting.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

I swear, someone can make a show called "Non raiders says the darndest things" with quotes like these and they can win awards for best comedy every year.

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What makes you think i don't raid? Im still doing ScoB so getting past T-9 for me is a goal. Would having ilvl 130 gear help, sure...do i need it? Nope.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

...Better yet, each class has 4+ secondary stats related to them and only one is put on the pedestal, one is treated a necessary baggage, the rest is tolerated and generally the last one is treated like some kind of red headed step child. People should be campaigning for reworking of the system. The pipes are leaking and people are screaming for a bigger duct tape...

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Make skill/spell speed actually worth the value it's taking. It doesn't speed up dot ticks, it doesn't speed up TP regen or even increase auto attack speed. The only thing I can see it doing is increasing TP use (which while increases dps, also puts a lower celling to how long it can be sustained), and throwing off the ideal mudra GCD.