Please make the in-game Au Ra (Males) more muscular, reflective of the Artwork

When I heard there was a dragon race being added, I was hoping for something more along the lines of the Aman from TERA. I just see pretty boy Elves with horns slapped on their heads.

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Originally Posted by Terin

You have to sit down and inspect them to see that they're different. That's my point. No, they're not *EXACTLY* the same, but they're similar enough that I'll wager most players would be hard pressed to spot the difference, unless specifically looking for those tell-tale signs of horns or tails (and even horns would be difficult to peruse, as many Heavy helmets have horns all their own).

Your defense is that "you like them as they are", which is fine, but doesn't mean the the many similarities don't exist. I'm as eager to see more of the Au Ra as anyone else, and maybe when we do, my fears will be alleviated. As it stands, though, they seem incredibly similar to Elezen, and just as you're not alone in wishing them to stay the same, I'm not alone in wishing they be made more unique. The difference is that I think it's better for races to be *more* unique from one another, than less. Even if they did a complete 180 and made them small and effeminate, like the females, at least it would truly feel like a *new* race.

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First, don't use most to refer to others' opinions or how they see or feel about the race, you can't know

And last, there's no difference between your feedback and mine, just opinions, so don't start assuming that your opinion is more important than others, like you have been doing the whole thread.

If you can't see the differences between the races that's your problem, i still think you just want to get the race your way, what is not fair, because it have been already announced, and there's a lot of people wanting to play them as they are.

And don't even think everyone here against the current design is supporting your idea to make them more muscular, people like Nestama will just criticize the race because they have been against it since the announcement, that's not the same that wanting the Au Ra more muscular.

As i said before, they have announced a new race, it's not appealing to you, but it appeals to others, bad luck, ask for an option or wait for the next one, stop trying to ruin it for those who don't share your opinion.

He's not trying to ruin it for others at all. He's expressing his opinion that the character models do not match the artwork, which is quite self evident.

And not all opinions are equally credible; they do not all carry the same weight, some carry more than others, some carry none. Which is why he's gone to great lengths to justify his opinion, as any reasonable person that decides to give voice to his opinion should. That justification should not be causing you such obvious discomfort, and simply responding to his continued attempts to explain why he is of that opinion with 'your opinion isn't more special than others' is quite insulting.

I too think the males should be broader, thicker, more muscular. Reading back through this thread, and others like it, others do too.

Its really not good form to try to verbally abuse someone into submission because their opinion conflicts with your own, on a forum that has been established for discussion.

My way of discussion doesn't differs too much from his, and as he is asking to enforce a change instead of asking for an option to make his Au Ra different (which i would support) i think he is being more disrespectful. If you go back and read every post made by him you will see how he's trying to make the same point over and over trying to use "possible customers" and "individuality" as an excuse when he only wants a more muscular character.

You may be on his part, and i will respect that, but you have no right to say i'm verbally abusing, or tagging my opinion as "less weighted" just because your opinion conflicts with mine on a forum that has been established for discussion.

Also don't expect i'll be quiet, he want to change the race, i want it as is, so every time he post the same exact point he have been posting during the whole thread, i will post mine, after all, this is a discussion, and we are both fighting for something that is important for us.

To be fair not only the male Au Ra, but all the other males and females should reflect their artwork more. Look at the body of the other races ingame and the artwork, they dont match. Male Elezen are pretty handsome in all the artworks, but their ingame face choices are horrible, female Elezen has the same issues aswell.

I agree with OP, the male Au Ra looks alot more like Elezen with horns ingame, they should make it more muscle (or give players the option to change the body ingame) like the artwork.

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Originally Posted by Renik

My way of discussion doesn't differs too much from his, and as he is asking to enforce a change instead of asking for an option to make his Au Ra different (which i would support) i think he is being more disrespectful. If you go back and read every post made by him you will see how he's trying to make the same point over and over trying to use "possible customers" and "individuality" as an excuse when he only wants a more muscular character.

You may be on his part, and i will respect that, but you have no right to say i'm verbally abusing, or tagging my opinion as "less weighted" just because your opinion conflicts with mine on a forum that has been established for discussion.

Also don't expect i'll be quiet, he want to change the race, i want it as is, so every time he post the same exact point he have been posting during the whole thread, i will post mine, after all, this is a discussion, and we are both fighting for something that is important for us.

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The major difference between your methods of discussion is that he is continuing to debate his points, whereas you seem to have shifted to debating him and his intentions. One of the core tenets of healthy discussion is that you discuss the points brought up in a discussion, not the people presenting them. Doing so increases the likelihood of the discussion turning hostile and bitter.

I am not saying that your opinion counts for less than his, nor am I saying that you should be quiet on this matter. What I am saying is that you do yourself no favours by focusing on him and his intent rather than his points.

One person diluting the discussion by repeating their same points over and over just causes the community managers to either stop paying attention or close the thread.
So I encourage you not to do that, whether your position is to keep it the same or make it change.

Also, like the OP if you support it or the contesting points if you do not.

Am I against beefing up the Au Ra males a little bit? No
Will I play them either way day one? Yes

That said, I think beefing up the Au Ra males a little bit or even making one clan match the artwork while the others are what we see now in game. Looking at it, id say make the light skinned Au Ra match the artwork just a little more while the Dark Skinned ones can stay as they are. This way there is that option for Beef or chicken, lol.


Terin has made good points. Looking at the current official Renders for them, especially that side by side comparison below shows that if you were to take off the scales alone, the differences are in the arms and head. The Torso (shoulders, chest and waist area) are rather similar. So to say they are not is false right there. And even then, both models are clothed and standing in odd positions. To get a 100% accurate one would have to put them side by side in small cloths and get shots of them from various angles and then silhouette them. At this we could really lay to rest of if they are new models or retooled Elezens.
http://i.imgur.com/V0qbjEt.png

As for you Renik, I get your point of wanting to keep them as seen in their renders.... but that's the only real point you have made. All you have been stating is that and that alone while trying to tell him that his opinion on this wrong.

I believe that beefed up or not, the race will still attract more customers regardless, just not the ones who were looking for an athletic beefy that Terin has described. As well you will have people who will on day one change to an Au Ra because of how they look, and those who don't, and again this can include Terin's argument of their beefiness. You have both sides to this.

While it wont affect what I do in game. I am with the OP on this case. They do look similar enough that you would have to look at them for their Emotes, Tails or Horns when in armor. Which depending on how helmets work for them may get thrown out with the scales as those are hidden beneath armor and cloths and be left to tails and emotes. Which I think is bad design in that case. A new race should be able to look different enough from the current in game races that its silhouette should be unique to it while still maintaining their ideal of similar body builds, which in this case is humanoid, without the added features.

To add to my point about scales being useless to tell the race apart
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...ht-image-2.jpg

hell someone do a side by side with this with an Elezen and we might actually see some points
http://i.imgur.com/480tvU4.jpg

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Originally Posted by Radacci

you mean like lalafell vs roegdyn, are similar in proportions?
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(wow it's been a while since i checked this thread)
No, let me explain better.
There are 5 races. Each of the 5 races have "set" proportions. Any future races, such as the upcoming Au'Ra, will be a variation of the proportions of these 5 races. Thus, while we have the possibility of sexual dimorphism we're getting, don't expect the silhouettes to change from the 5 we already have.
To put it another way, we're more like to get a race where the males look like lalafell and the females look like male Roes than a proportion that deviates from these 5.

Terin claims he wants the race to look different, but if you make it more muscular the result is a bigger highlander with horns and tail, or a more stylized roe with horns and tail, when what we have now is as you say, a stronger elezen with horns and tail, i'm questioning his intentions, because the change he wants won't make the race look any different than the rest of anthropomorphous races we have, the only difference would be making them more appealing to a kind of player or another.

I can say for sure i won't be playing an Au Ra if they are more muscular, the same some won't be playing an Au Ra if they are not changed, the difference, Au Ra are already made and are appealing to a sector of the player-base.

Also, as i said comparing by poses is missleading

http://i.imgur.com/h1S3dwQ.png http://i.imgur.com/yYhsdnP.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/su3pQoZ.png

The most similar part is the long neck, which i guess is necessary to avoid clipping with those horns.

i'm not seeing the same race, i decided to put the elezen in small clothes so you can compare the undressed parts of both, they are obviously different, Au Ra are already stronger and thus different, the only reason to change them more is to appeal to a different group of players, and as i said, we were here first.

I have said i have my gripes with the race, but i'm not trying to change it, i appreciate what i have because it's closer enough to what i want, and it shouldn't be changed to match my expectations ruining the race for someone else.

EDIT: decided to post another pic with the elezen in starting gear so you can't say i'm cheating it.