We have finally come full circle, SMN's need help!

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Disclaimer: I'm no Summoner, I just like theorycrafting / discussions about balancing~

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Your ideas are extremely valid.

They could change Tri-Disaster to almost anything and it would be of some sort of benefit. Right now it is splash for SMN.

Piety added to the soul crystal would become very static and eventually it would get out dated, a better option is adding Piety to the SMN books (Similar to what they did with Accuracy for healers).

Right now, as a lot of people have mentioned, our pets are unaffected by a lot of things - Spell speed being one of them. Without changing potency's or anything SE could just let our Pets take our Pots and self buffs into effect while also having them be effected by spell speed.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

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Your ideas are very wise and would works :) thanks for the share.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

You might beat PUGs. You're not beating serious players with equal gear in 99% of the content in the game on SMN, if you do they suck and I wouldn't use it as an argument for balancing.

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Yesterday ppl said that bout Dragoon (got "buff") ... and before that MNK (buff), and before BLM (buff), and before SMN (already got pet buff), and before bout PLD bout have a hard time holding agro (falsh buff), and before bout WAR (defiance got buff), and bout BRD (got nerf).

So i ask for SMN buff.. then BLM buff... then SMn again
Ask for MNK buff... then ninja came.. then ask for DRG buff.... prolly tomorrow ask for no positioning on MNK tooo and goes on

PPL its never happy

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Originally Posted by Valoiz

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This is why its a "Circle". It will be there no matter what you do, the best way is to keep the circle moving by buffing and nerfing classes appropriately.

Every single comment you have made in this thread has been extremely ignorant and counter-productive to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

Piety added to the soul crystal would become very static and eventually it would get out dated, a better option is adding Piety to the SMN books (Similar to what they did with Accuracy for healers).

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My personal issue with this is by providing a small increase on each ilvl upgrade would make the resource management aspect less and less important overall. Because the spells at level 50 all have the same static value, you're overall resource consumption will be the same regardless if you're i50 or i130. This changes once you add PIE to the weapon that scales with the ilvls and SMN longevity becomes better and better.

From a development standpoint, I feel the challenge in this respect is adding enough PIE to increase SMN longevity without throwing out the window resource management - and that's easier to attack when you're looking at static values. In this respect, all that means is say "all i50+ SMN books now have +50 PIE" or something to that effect (it's a bit of a lazy change, but it would work).

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

Right now, as a lot of people have mentioned, our pets are unaffected by a lot of things - Spell speed being one of them. Without changing potency's or anything SE could just let our Pets take our Pots and self buffs into effect while also having them be effected by spell speed.

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I like this idea for spell speed (as well as the other suggestions).

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Originally Posted by Valoiz

Yesterday ppl said that bout Dragoon (got "buff") ... and before that MNK (buff), and before BLM (buff), and before SMN (already got pet buff), and before bout PLD bout have a hard time holding agro (falsh buff), and before bout WAR (defiance got buff), and bout BRD (got nerf).

So i ask for SMN buff.. then BLM buff... then SMn again
Ask for MNK buff... then ninja came.. then ask for DRG buff.... prolly tomorrow ask for no positioning on MNK tooo and goes on

PPL its never happy

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Are you seriously calling what they did to pets a buff? Since how did this measly little change affect our dps in anyway. You might as well say lowering the cost of Bio 2 was enough that smn shouldn't have any mp issues.

just give me some upgrades that feel like upgrades, not crap

Do not remove ti-disaster! Swiftcast tri-disaster is great

I think the biggest issue is a SMN's DPS is lower than everyone elses, but they dont have anything to compensate that with.; a smart player would argue that it is lower because of the utility they bring to the party - that much is true.

However, Eye for an Eye? um, You already have two - SCH and WHM, and you still get a third with a BLM. The only thing Traited E4E does is lower the cooldown. Virus? Ok, but because of the Virus debuff, anything you'd NEED to virus, will already be done by the SCH - making SMN Virus useless (except adds.. but I can't think of an add in the game ATM we virus except the Storm in t13.. which is done by the SCH.) Battle Raise? Sure, I guess, if 26% of your MP sounds like it'll be worth it. (Seriously - Raise priority is SCH > WHM > SMN for a reason.) Some people also like to say they bring constant, 100% uptime damage because of DoTs.. okay, That's true, until you need to raise once, or until the fight goes until phase 2, or the fight goes at all really. Realistically the only time you should get a ballad is when the healers need one, which generally by the time you DO get a ballad, you've been dry for 2-3 minutes already, living Aetherflow to Aetherflow - and you STILL cut out both Shadowflare AND Ruin II, so you're not doing a full 90 DPS less than you would be, so now you're behind the bard, even if the bard was playing Paeon or Foes. Also, you cut out 2 festers per minute so you can still keep damage up inbetween Aetherflows, or you're doomed to run out of MP, so you're losing 780 potency per minute right there, using it on 2 shitty 195 potency Energy Drains. (I included trait damage increase, otherwise its 600 ppm and 300ppm, respectively.)

Be careful with what you wish for. With great buffs come great nerfs.