Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

I never said it was difficult. I said "please don't make this game easier" (paraphrasing). In this case "easy" was to imply the opposite of "hard". Hard meaning: requiring a great deal of endurance or effort. I think we agree that the "ridiculous RNG" you are referring to requires a deal of endurance, so arguing semantics is pointless. "Easy" is a synonym of the word hard, and what you are trying to imply with your rhetoric is invalid.

That being said, making it easier would undermine the work others have already put into their relics, and it would not be fair. Also, they made the quest this way in effort to force people into doing fates, so if someone actually wants to level with fates, they won't be alone all of the time. This will not, and should not be changed. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Apricoth

There really is no reason to ease up on the Atma drops. It is suppose to be an arduous task - it requires commitment, endurance and patience.

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Because if you want to retain customers, the best way to do it is to make things as arduous, mind numbing , and unfulfilling as possible.

Honestly laughing at all these posts trying to compare it to other stages that have either 100% success upon completion of that part (Animus) or a much higher success rate that even when a bust happens its not a total loss (Novus). Then top it off with the fact that there are those who are still grinding (still, not one day, not two weeks) being called lazy since the other players got lucky on their drops.

Hell, since we're so bent on comparing it to the other steps, lets make it like Novus. We carry around an alexandrite when attempting for the atma and have 100% success for the first few, then clink it down to ~50-60% chance near the end ones; and just to add some 'grinding skillz' to it, have us carry 2 Alex midway, then 3 for the end ones. Completely the same thing, right?

If everything was simple or easy to do, would you find it rewarding?

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I think we agree that the "ridiculous RNG" you are referring to requires a deal of endurance, so arguing semantics is pointless.

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Only for some people. Some others can get 12 Atmas in a single day, by being lucky.

A system that demands completion of 50-100 Fates per Atma per zone requires effort. A system that may give you what you need after 1 or after 1000 Fates requires luck.

I think it's both sad and hilarious that you say it "would undermine the work others have already put into their relics, and it would not be fair", but somehow think it's fair that person A gets their 12 Atma in under 100 Fates total while another goes over 100 Fates without a single Atma drop.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Only for some people. Some others can get 12 Atmas in a single day, by being lucky.

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Some people win the lottery too, or become movie stars. If someone gets all 12 that easy then they probably deserve it because their karma must be like that of the Buddha. You're acting like 50% of the people have it that easy, when in actuality, it's more like .00000000000005%. In general when you are faced with a 5% chance 12 times, the majority of people are going to average pretty close to 5%. Use this and see how many time you can land five or under in close proximity of each other 12 times.

lol we're talking about nerf'ing solo-able content that consumes indefinite amount of time, and i'm sorry but i don't see that as severe as nerf'ing content that affects an entire raid which by the way something they already did... getting i110 is not that heavily RNG dependent anymore, however atmas on the other hand are very RNG dependent, so all is being asked is to make it less dependent in order for other people to enjoy the relic quest, how is that so impossible?

Took me 5 weeks at 3+ hours a night to get my ATMA completed. Fact is, it's not for everyone, the weapon is truly rare due to the RNG. Accept it. There are alternatives if you don't have the willpower to push through.

Grinding atma was supposed to be for casual? Well, I've tried it casually.
Ever since atma came out, I've done FATE here and there naturally without forcing it.
So, when I'm in a area for longer than just passing through, I end up doing 1~5 FATE (just like any casual player can afford to do on average).

In addition to that, I've occasionally had weekends with more focused grinds (30+ FATE).

How many atmas do I have? 2

In conclusion, this definitely isn't content for casual players. A casual player would require so much time just to get the atma, that going for Animus, Novus, etc. is simply not realistic.
(Estimating the average here, not talking about the lucky few or super unlucky ones.)

And as many have stated previously, it's not even fun to be stuck grinding the same low level content. I've done those FATEs when I was leveling up my classes, why kicking us back in?

Yoshi-P says the game is like a theme park and you choose the content that you like.
Well, let me compare atma (and other challenge-less endless grinds) to theme parks: waiting in line for hours to get in an actual attraction.

I've never seen anyone getting excited at waiting for hours in a line-up. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...lies/frown.png

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Originally Posted by Mijin

If everything was simple or easy to do, would you find it rewarding?

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The Atma weapon did not feel rewarding at all, because most of the time we were fighting LOW LEVEL monsters.