Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

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Originally Posted by Gor

you're seeing things. i didn't say anything about players learning to play in my comment.

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Am I the first day on this forum? Everyone can view your previous posts. As long as healer is being adjusted, you would rise up in arm, calling everyone a whinner and care bear.

You claims that atherflow would impact your survival, fine, I will take it. Now cleric stance impacting your survival too? Please enlighten me. Good thing I don't play one job only. Otherwise, what are you going to say? Learn to play (insert job) here?

Don't worry. I am currently playing the warrior and I see Warrior is getting an adjustment sooner or later too. You over rating me, I don't have that ability to impact SE decision. I made my comment from a neutral position and seeing Frontline as whole. If you think that is whining, so be it.

Yes, I believed that cleric stance need to be adjust in other thread and I have provided my reasons. When I ask you why you think you need cleric stance as a healer role. You didn't respond. So, enlighten me please.

I dont have a lot to add to this conversation.

I just wanted to talk about idea that cleric stance was ok sense it was a high skill cap spell to use. That only 10-20% of healers could use it properly. That a fine argument only "IF" other jobs also had a high skill cap skill that allowed them to complete in overall usefulness. Thing is WHM and SCH were only jobs with the privilege of getting a advantage for being a highly skilled player. In other games like WoW highly skilled players can stunlock enemies for 10+ seconds, completely oneshot a squishy, ect at the height of their skill, but these games work sense most classes has a aspect they excel in at a high skill level.


Thing is 14 PVP isnt balanced that way. Most classes in the game isnt designed to excel at 1v1. It about team play. Skill is capped very low on most jobs to force players to work at a team to get anything done. So when you have pvp game where most classes have a very low average skill ceiling and 1 or 2 with a very high skill ceiling, you create a huge disparity. Option was to either redesign almost every class in pvp to make them more viable on high end spectrum or poorly adjust two classes which tbh was poorly implemented in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Am I the first day on this forum? Everyone can view your previous posts. As long as healer is being adjusted, you would rise up in arm, calling everyone a whinner and care bear.

You claims that atherflow would impact your survival, fine, I will take it. Now cleric stance impacting your survival too? Please enlighten me. Good thing I don't play one job only. Otherwise, what are you going to say? Learn to play (insert job) here?

Don't worry. I am currently playing the warrior and I see Warrior is getting an adjustment sooner or later too. You over rating me, I don't have that ability to impact SE decision

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i was talking about the comment in THIS thread, not comments i made about another topic weeks ago. of course i said people need to l2p in other threads, but not this one. enlighten you? how about because its FUN, F-U-N, to be able to have a chance on killing some overzealous dps who doesn't expect it. some dps that stops what he's doing to try and take me out, just because i'm a healer and watching him die because he got too pig-headed and over confident. when that happens its FUN, F-U-N. but very little seem to understand nor want that aspect of the game because they don't understand, nor want, the aspect of pvp.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

You over rating me, I don't have that ability to impact SE decision

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no, not you alone have the ability to impact SE decision, but thousands of people like you griping on the forums does, which is exactly how and why we have gotten to this point in the first place. ya'll dont give a damn about roles, you just want to scapegoat on healers because if you all really cared about "roles" then you would also be griping about the tanks who manage to do 60-90k dps. i see way more of that than i do of SCHs and WHMs topping damage meters. just admit you're all just healer haters because you're all butthurt over not being able to kill a healer fast enough so you'll accept ANYTHING taken away from healers (i.e. Cleric Stance) even if it has nothing to do with the problem at hand; that's all this is boiling down to really. healer damage is irrelevant and people are in support of ANYTHING that gets taken away from healers because they just want to see the class lynched since they have an illusion that its op.

pvp is getting watered down to boring an uninteresting levels to people who like to tweak their classes once they feel comfortable playing it. it seems the masses want kindergarten-level, boring, flat, static classes to play that cannot be tweaked to do anything except the norm, straight and narrow. that's what you want, so that's what SE is giving you, but i have no interest in a game with that kind of narrow-minded play.

PVP changes so bad even mobs quit SCH

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lol FRONTLINES is the cake factory of pvp, let's balance a 24v24v24 fight that hands everyone everything anyway! All because ppl can't figure out how the deal with a few extra healers on a team (a problem I have yet to have had in FL) and to top it off you defend them removing a skill that isn't even the reason why these healer heavy teams are rolling you bums! but hey CS really needed balancing right? It was way to OP right? My hopes for a real interesting and fun pvp on this game are gone let the crybabies have their cake fest. Get all the marks and gear for glamour and enter den just to get rolled anyway then complain something else needs nerfing. Unreal!

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Originally Posted by Gor

i was talking about the comment in THIS thread.

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Yes, I can see it is very fun to play a job that is designed to sustain damage from 2-3 dps, can switch freely between dps/healing stance without penalty and super mobility that is a cost free. I should speed up my WHM lvling. Who cares about the game balance? It is their fault that they did not come as healers and enjoying the fun.

Let's ignore the facts that there are videos showing there is imbalance. Let's ignore the fact Yoship has decent amount of experience on the Frontline. Anyone who challenge my the FUN are whiners and they should stop moaning.

Good luck in WoW, last time I checked, the complain about Hunter, Mage, and Warrior are dramatic there. I will rest my case here and get on my WHM lvling to toture other job that has no counter. I have a twin adder PvP ls and make a Premade party to destroy both Malestorm and Flames on the primal. Holy spam......Go go go!!! Be hold the wraith of Levithan Adders!

Anyway if healers woulded be so damned OP, because thay could do anything, I'm wondering why I saw only one time a party of 7 WHM.
A lot of people enter PvP just in order to win, and I wonder why them all didn't switched WHM/SCH.

I think people was tired to see Healer mantain a position alone in 1v1, but they didn't realize that in a group healers are the first to be harrassed to death,
and that is not so easy to stay alive and also if you die usually your party die, so you have to manage very well when you have tiem to DPS.
Any class has his advantages and disadvantages, BLM can do huge and unexpected damange whit a party and support, but it's really heasy to kill one in solo (with purify).

The big problem up to me, is just the massive healer stacking, IMO they should get a Mind nerf proportional to the number of healer in the party.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

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well, i get merked by MRDs alot ... but you won't find me on forums griping about how op MRDs are and how they should be nerfed to the ground because i'm butthurt over their damage. i adjust and try to find a way around it. that's how a game is played. MRDs are suppose to fulfill the role of a tank, not a dps, but you will never find me crying about it.

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Originally Posted by Gor

well, i get merked by MRDs alot ... but you won't find me on forums griping about how op MRDs are and how they should be nerfed to the ground because i'm butthurt over their damage. i adjust and try to find a way around it. that's how a game is played. MRDs are suppose to fulfill the role of a tank, not a dps, but you will never find me crying about it.

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Good for you, but let me make my final speech here:

The Orders of Twin Adder!! of the Primals!! of the Aethers!! Brothers and Sisters!!
Let us drop our petty difference, our believes, and our mercifulness!!
Let us re-united as one!!
We should all submit ourselves to the path of the Healers for our Grand Company!!
Countless nights that we have been crashed on the Frontline because we are out numbered!!
Scattered, losing most of our matches, and massacred!!
Malestorm is laughing at us, calling us carebears
Flames believes we are weak, taking advantage of it.
We are weakest, out numbered, and scattered, but.....
It is also our strength!!!!
We are the only Grand Company can afford to make premade party effectively.
It is time to fight back. It is time for us to make premade party of healers and taking back our glory and our pride.
Monks, drop your practice
Paladins, drop your Sward and Shield
Bards, throw away your bows
Dragoons, break your spears
Let us all take up staff and book and becomes White Mage and the Scholars.
Let make party of healers and tear up our foes at the Frontline.
It is the time for the revenge.
For the glory of the Twin Adders!!!!!!!!

Inspiring enough? I am welcome suggestion to improve this war speech. You believed that healers are fine and there is no problem with healer stacking right? Let bring that infamous healer party to the Primals and Aether. Twin Adder is small enough to sustain premade anyway and we have a conjour guild.

Sea swallows all? No, Twin Adders will have you all eaten !!!!!ty

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

For godsake, every single post you make has some sort of deluded misconception that comes from your lack of knowledge. Yet you insist on telling us how these classes work. There is a good reason you are told to play the class, because you talk out your ass repeatedly due to lack of knowledge on said class. For example, just in this last post!.

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Hi mr. Einstein,

I didn't bother to read your essay because you are wrong already the moment you assume I am complain because of 1v1. You don't need to be marauder, warrior is good enough to take care of healer 1v1. It is not even the issue.

Don't bother to put up your crusade on me. Gor got me convinced. Hell with the game balance. Playing a super job is more fun. Twin Adder has the ability to run all healers premade anyway. Let bring the hell on Aether and Prtimals.

You want a world of healercraft? Let play then,