Complain all you want..

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

LOL!

Meanwhile, I'm loving this patch

http://i.imgur.com/6rylDfJ.png

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Now do it 8 more times! :)

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I suppose you want a medal for that, don't you? Just because people don't have the time or inclination to do the equivalent of climbing Mount Everest doesn't make them lazy or whatever talking points the no-lifer forums are putting out these days. No one sane should ever have to, much less want to, go through what many people in XI had to endure, especially during the early years.

The FATE system might not have been an ideal place to implement the Atma quest, but heaven knows an HNM system would have been far worse.

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Judging by how many Level 50's you have, you have all the time in the world, I see other people saying the same thing with tons of 50 jobs, you are just making excuses to not do fates.

A whopping 14 and one 46 level job, ain't that crazy maybe you shouldn't say anything.

I don't see how my number of level 50 jobs enters into your dishonest viewpoint that anyone who wants to see a better way to improve their Relic weapons is "lazy". I'd suggest you find a more solid way to defend that dishonest argument.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I suppose you want a medal for that, don't you? Just because people don't have the time or inclination to do the equivalent of climbing Mount Everest doesn't make them lazy or whatever talking points the no-lifer forums are putting out these days. No one sane should ever have to, much less want to, go through what many people in XI had to endure, especially during the early years.

The FATE system might not have been an ideal place to implement the Atma quest, but heaven knows an HNM system would have been far worse.

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Not that I have any idea what all the Atma is about (I don't play anymore), but I think an HNM system (in FFXIV 1.0~ style) sounds awesome. It would have to be tweaked to ensure the majority of people didn't rage on day one (like now), but it could work with 1.0's pop timers, maybe throw in multiple HNMs (NMs? Because we don't really have NMs anymore for there to be HNMs around...) that have a chance of dropping the same thing so everyone isn't fighting over the exact same monster over and over.

Better yet, they could set up a quest (with a story line? Please?) to obtain a pop item that would allow you and a group to spawn an NM that has a chance of dropping multiple useful items with a chance of atma dropping as well. They could also simplify it by making it a special Leve Quest so that no new systems need to be created (kinda the same as FATE).

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Originally Posted by Hayward

The FATE system might not have been an ideal place to implement the Atma quest, but heaven knows an HNM system would have been far worse.

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"HNM" system in 1.x was perfectly fine. Care to try that again?

"ZNM" is perfectly fine (XI system, by the way.)

"VWNM" is perfectly fine. (XI system, by the way.)

Abyssea NMs were perfectly fine. Did you know? Those are all "HNM" systems that you can spawn yourself..?

I can tell you horror stories from 3 of those systems in XI that would send you running away from ANY thoughts of implementing any of them.

HNM: You must have a bot program itching to be used to be hyping up an HNM system. That approach in XI was a disaster from day one and the only ones who endorse it are the ones who had the best bots to claim them.

ZNM: No way in any of the seven hells do I want this train wreck anywhere NEAR Eorzea. Between expensive equipment (gil sink), insufficient rewards for the pictures (time sink), and the ridiculous drop rates (RNG hell), don't even bring this up and expect serious consideration.

VWNM: Seriously?

Abyssea: This is about the only sane point you've made. The NM tree wasn't ridiculously difficult and the drop rates were reasonable.

Well, all I know is that I thoroughly enjoy the game. :/ It's a shame some people don't, but personally I've never been more certain about subscribing than I am now. I've got a great FC that suits me perfectly, and I enjoy pretty much all aspects of the game at my own pace. Doing dungeons, primals, working on lower lvl classes, crafting, some gathering, decorating the house, tending to them litte crops in our garden patch, screenshotting, and then them Hildibrand quests.... Seriously, I like it. :)

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

I have kept count, I started at 724 FATE/1000, I am up to 1,435. 4 Atma to my name, none have dropped outside of the first day. But hey, I'm progressing, right guys?!

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You've obtained 4 items out of 12, so yes. You are. By definition.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

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So it seems aside the botting (that only really happened in Garuda and Ifrit Extreme by certain linkshells that won't be named), your issue appears to be the difficulty and drop rates. Now, why would they implement the drop rate along with the systems in a different game for example? The systems were perfectly fine, VW even has the better system of the bunch, the issue most had were the drop rates.

My point was, HNM systems are perfectly fine, they all don't revolve around "bot claiming".

Nice. When you and yours take off we might see the lag drop off. That would be good.