SE, Please fix this FC exploit

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Originally Posted by Remn

so you saying that if a rank 8 FC leader left (assuming FC already got large house). you want to rest of the member to abandon FC and start grinding the new FC for rank and house all over again?

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Yeah. We have a house and I already forgot about it. Sorry, didn't even think about that.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

I was under the impression that it was persons WITH rights to promote, that could promote above their own rang that is the problem.

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This - Technically people asked for this.

"What if the leader goes awol and we can't promote anyone to power?"

Of course not as open but in general, this system was requested.

SE really should return your items and money. There is no one to blame but the person who took it. There is no blame on the FC that gave the guy the permissions to promote.

It is only fair one would assume that someone could not promote above their rank. I have known about this for a while. Promotion and demotion work both ways.

As long as I have promotion/demotion privs I can promote or demote anyone from any rank to any rank except master. The game does not let you promote yourself, but you can demote yourself strangely enough, I did that before I quit the game. I still lurk the forums, they are a never ending source of amusement when I am bored.
Master can only be assigned to a new person by the existing master.

To the FCs:
To make it clear.
Someone with promote/demote privs can promote/demote anyone to any rank except Master.
If the master leaves before passing on the rank, it is currently forever locked to that character.
They can demote themselves.
Master can only be assigned by the current master. There can be only one.

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Originally Posted by Randelmire

Thank you for your answer Bayohne

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Told you! Now let's hope SE fixes this issue within the next mini patch or hotfix.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

First let me apologize for the frustration that this situation has caused.

It is difficult to create a system that is both flexible for users and that can safeguard against any number of situations. Limiting the use of the ability to promote could have negative implications for users that are using the feature legitimately (for example, if a leader has left, and a new one needs to be appointed), so we have to be mindful of that before making changes.

However, even with that said, we understand the request for adjustments and the team will be looking carefully into how best to move forward.

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The easiest way to handle that from my experience in other MMOs is to auto-promote a member of the next highest rank to leader. In conjunction, if a leader hasn't logged in for so many days, say 90 or 180, they are automatically demoted and someone else is promoted to leader.

Just to be clear... I just checked this in my FC. I can promote people up to the rank under FC master. I cannot demote the master, nor can I promote someone to master. So this DOES NOT fix an instance where the master goes missing but does not actually leave the guild. The only instance I can think of it fixing is if someone physically leaves an FC without first appointing someone. I can't test if leaving is actually possible without first doing that because I'm not the Master.

Why not just make the FC leader promote someone new before leaving?

A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding what the problem is. It has nothing to do with the Master and everything to do with the ranks below.


Fictional FC organisational ranks:
1 Master
2 Treasurer - only one person other than master who can withdraw gil and items from the chest, let's say they're a lifelong trusted and trustworthy friend of the Master, they also use an authenticator and never go to dangerous sites, etc
3 General leaders - these guys can promote people from the social rank into something more specific, indicating what that person does for the FC, they may also lead events, etc
4 Crafters and gatherers - who you go to first to ask for things to be produced/melded/gathered
5 Combatants - These would be the professional raiders and FATE grinders and chocobo trainers and everything else involving whacking/zapping/band-aiding something/someone with other members of the FC
6 Social - the first rank someone goes into when they join, before they become well known for one of the above roles, also good for the casual jack of all trades or those who don't participate much

Say a bigger FC absorbs a smaller FC and the leader of the smaller FC is given the authority to bring in and promote their members to the appropriate gatherer/crafter/combatant/social rank as they're the ones who should know what their members do. Presumably the company chest is still safe because only 2 people have been given access to that: rank 1 and 2, Master and Treasurer, both above the rank of the promoters.

The leader of the smaller FC can promote another member to a higher (but still non-Master) position than the promoter is currently in, meaning they can make their entire FC (other than themselves) Treasurers without permission and rob the bigger FC blind.

That is the problem. It has NOTHING to do with the Master rank and everything to do with every other rank.

In the year 2014, where MMO is a common game genre, they are still unable to include or even figure out how to make some useful (and basic) social features. In fact, most MMO games are not able to do better than the job of an IRC bot.
In the year 2014, MMO developpers still don't focus on social stuff, while their whole game is based on that.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

Just to be clear... I just checked this in my FC. I can promote people up to the rank under FC master. I cannot demote the master, nor can I promote someone to master. So this DOES NOT fix an instance where the master goes missing but does not actually leave the guild. The only instance I can think of it fixing is if someone physically leaves an FC without first appointing someone. I can't test if leaving is actually possible without first doing that because I'm not the Master.

Why not just make the FC leader promote someone new before leaving?

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It's been linked already, but one of the devs already said in 2.2 that there'll be an automatic demotion of a inactive FC leader. The time hasn't been announced.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

It's been linked already, but one of the devs already said in 2.2 that there'll be an automatic demotion of a inactive FC leader. The time hasn't been announced.

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I wasn't talking about that... I was more pointing out that what the mod gave as a reason doesn't really fix anything at all (as several others in the thread seemed to think it would work if the FC leader was afk). There is no legitimate reason for someone to be able to promote a person to a rank above their own. The OP's situation should not have happened, and is a serious, blatant design flaw.