How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

"In A3S, when I started out doing the normal rotation (HT-IDC4-P-TTT4-Repeat) I found that at ~620 Skillspeed (2.4s GCD), at the phase change from "human" form into a hand, my Disembowel would go off without the damage or the debuff almost every time.

HT - IDC4 - TTT4- P - Repeat"


I've been able to get the Disembowel in before the change, but it still throws off the numbers. What I do is wait the 1.5 secs with Disembowel procked, this way I don't have to clip or worry about the debuff falling off. If you do PH after the 4 the combo I don't know you will still get the B4B buff on it.

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I can "get Disembowel in" - my issue is that the animation finishes after invulnerability, so the combo still progresses but I do not get the debuff or the damage - similar to how you can start up a combo when the boss is invulnerable at the start of the add phase. When I try to hold Disembowel when I do the normal opener, it falls off a split second before the hand becomes vulnerable. Maybe this has to to with latency differences, I don't know. However, I do know that I get B4B on that Phlebotomize.

EDIT: Maybe your scholar uses selene during this phase? Ours prefers Eos

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Originally Posted by Bloodborn8

I can "get Disembowel in" - my issue is that the animation finishes after invulnerability, so the combo still progresses but I do not get the debuff or the damage - similar to how you can start up a combo when the boss is invulnerable at the start of the add phase. When I try to hold Disembowel when I do the normal opener, it falls off a split second before the hand becomes vulnerable. Maybe this has to to with latency differences, I don't know. However, I do know that I get B4B on that Phlebotomize.

EDIT: Maybe your scholar uses selene during this phase? Ours prefers Eos

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Just use double Impulse Drive, thats my way. BotD dont fall off and combo neither. Spam click on enemy list and in the same time Disembowel when the boss return vulnerable, thats work for me.

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

[I've been able to get the Disembowel in before the change, but it still throws off the numbers. What I do is wait the 1.5 secs with Disembowel procked, this way I don't have to clip or worry about the debuff falling off. If you do PH after the 4 the combo I don't know you will still get the B4B buff on it.

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You can get disembowel on before the shift long as latency is good. Also if you can't, why hold disembowel? Why not just use ID twice, Instead of sitting there not doing anything with your disembowel for 2 seconds? I also change my whole opener just for A3. Works out pretty nicely. Plus allows me to get full use out of GK, and allows for 4-5 GK on double hands.

I just repeat Impulse Drive, myself.

Anyone have an updated solver that still has some of the older food options like the 2star stuff?

Ariyala seems to be missing some of the food I could potentially use and some of those higher food options I can't make and/or won't buy since my group is barely progressing on A1 Savage if we even run at all... I can make 3star food but I'd really like to avoid making that stuff.

I'm not sure what to upgrade now so I'd like to see my choices while being able to set the skill speed and accuracy requirements, and then knowing what food will balance it out without being overkill.

For reference I currently have full normal Alexander gear + Esoterics weapon and ring.

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Originally Posted by PaiiNx

Just use double Impulse Drive, thats my way. BotD dont fall off and combo neither. Spam click on enemy list and in the same time Disembowel when the boss return vulnerable, thats work for me.

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I did consider a double ID, but the way I saw it, a raw Phlebotomize is 410 potency. Compare this to an ID buffed by HT and Dis, which is 227.7 Potency. In addition, this allows me to move Phlebotomize deeper into my rotation, which loses fewer ticks as a result of the phase change.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

You can get disembowel on before the shift long as latency is good. Also if you can't, why hold disembowel? Why not just use ID twice, Instead of sitting there not doing anything with your disembowel for 2 seconds? I also change my whole opener just for A3. Works out pretty nicely. Plus allows me to get full use out of GK, and allows for 4-5 GK on double hands.

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Mind my asking how you change your opener? I didn't use any oGCDs after Phleb, and rather just used the "Advanced Opener" upon doing HT, with an appropriate switch of LS/GK and DFD because VT comes earlier this way.

Or you do H IDC4 P TTT4 -> H TTT4 P IDC4 -> and repeat H TTT4 P IDC4... It means you have TTT4 combo for phase change and won't get screwed by a DIS or CT not being logged on Jigglybutt and don't need to delay your GCD by 1 second either....

There's other benefits as well, but I'm not in the position to discuss them yet until I've finalised some stuff. I think a few people will know what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Bloodborn8

Mind my asking how you change your opener? I didn't use any oGCDs after Phleb, and rather just used the "Advanced Opener" upon doing HT, with an appropriate switch of LS/GK and DFD because VT comes earlier this way.

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I use the basic opener for a3, with botd placed before ct. I get 3 GK before form shift. I land Dis before the swap ,finish ct, pop phle, refresh ht at 6 seconds right there. Proceed with normal rotation using botd again right before full thurst, use one GK in the second b4b, then save the next 5 for double hands so I get all 9 GKs before adds. That double potency ^^ also you may not get all5 on both, sometimes just 4 then the 5th on single. May not be the most optimal as I just recently switched back to drg, but I'm holding 1400+ at the end of hands and finished the fight last week right at 1200, could Prolly do 1230ish or more with no Fuck ups with my current gear.

Also one of the GKs maybe 2 will be buffed on double hands with 3rd b4b. Edit to clarify, you dont always get 9 GKs, sometimes just 8, its really really tight.