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Originally Posted by Alleo

I agree that there is a demand for them (I myself wanted a beastial female for a long time) but I am still curious on the numbers, especially now when they will probably only have like two hairstyles for each face. At least here and on reddit some already posted that they wanted to turn into Hrothgar but that the restrictions will turn them away again. So its really sad that stretching themselves thin on two half races and the other stuff might even decrease the number of players for that race. :/

Anyway I really hope that we will get the missing genders and I also hope that this does not take until 7.0..

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I think that the male hrotgar would be rather unpopular, and will be arround male elezen once the initial storm of the new races goes down, mostly for their customization which is extremely limited, but they will look cool and it will be nice seeing one of them in your parties

Also, I don't really think it will take until 7.0, considering that not only has Matsuno been talking about male viera on his twitter and literally saying 'where's the male viera' on a drawing, but dataminers have found that in the code there's intentional space left for the missing genders, that combined with many other things, [/B]makes me think that they very well could[B] either have plans or maybe even have started working on them which would most likely significate a 6.0 release, but there is always a chance that we might not get them at 6.0 and sadly, we don't even have a confirmation that we will

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Originally Posted by zeylos

What you have stated is clearly the reason why SE should have only gone with 1 race

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Should? They wanted to add in Viera for those fans who have been screaming for them and a beast race for fans who have been screaming for that. If the Viera add one thing to this game it's a 3rd chance to make a tall female given how under played the 2 tall females are and how vocal people have been in asking for Viera, a race of tall females. They missed that chance in favor of making a smoll, dainty, shy female with the Scaley race. That's at least something.

Like, what is with this obsession to convince people SE made a mistake picking both? It's over ... they did it. They knew the blow back they would get, they thought about it long and hard and decided this was best. They sacrificed Female Hrothgar to appease the fans because this seems like the last chance to add races (and they would be giving the Viera fans the middle finger for the 2nd and final time if they didn't) but it is what it is.

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Males don't have a proper tall elegant option (elezen are giraffes)

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Lol, Elezen don't count cause you say so? As Yoshi stated "what's the point of adding another tall handsome character if the only difference is their ears". You read that how ever you want, I don't have to defend him. Just pointing out something he said.

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but the females did have something that, while not super elegant, was still much more elegant than males (femroe are like amazons in my eyes for instance).

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As a max slider Femroe for years I can say that ... Femroe are just giant goofy af girls. Just like Roebros are giant goofy dudes, neither one comes across as bad ass warriors.

In terms of archetypes the best example of what I feel like we got (viera) vs what I feel like we would have gotten (Female Hrothgar) is Kill La Kill's Satsuki vs Ryuko. Stoic, Class Representative girl trope vs Delinquent, violent girl trope. Both are things not currently found in the roster but one's far more interesting and expressive than the other and it's a shame things turned out this way. But it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I agree that there is a demand for them (I myself wanted a beastial female for a long time) but I am still curious on the numbers, especially now when they will probably only have like two hairstyles for each face. At least here and on reddit some already posted that they wanted to turn into Hrothgar but that the restrictions will turn them away again. So its really sad that stretching themselves thin on two half races and the other stuff might even decrease the number of players for that race. :/

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The restriction is so severe/ strang and the set up is so odd that I can't help but think there's more to this then we know. Much like how Viera may get more on release I feel the same for Hrothgar.
We'll see in a few weeks though so it really doesn't matter rn to me.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

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Ok so first, ofc they already did it but we have all the right on this world to discuss whatever we want. Then, the viera are not a race of tall females they are a race of tall people with bunny ears. Then, SE gave a middle finger to many hrotgar fans and viera fans at the same time, those being not only those who want to play as the missing genders, btu also those who want to play as male hrotgar considering that they have extremely limited customization most likely caused by them not sticking to one race at a time.

Then, if male elezen count, then we have: female higlander, female roegadyn and female elezen. Also interesting how he said that 'what's the point on another handsome race' but had absolutely no issue in making beatiful females. Rather unfortunate to say the least.

Then, where in the world is femroe considered giant? Femroes are simply woman with lots of mussle.
A giant woman would be this (which is certainly not in the game):
https://i2.wp.com/thesocietypages.or...0660.jpg?ssl=1
which would have about the same mussle mass as the male roegadyn, something they can do with female hrotgar.
In all honesty, all the points Yoshida gave to the inclusion of this races made absolutely no sense in my eyes.
We don't want to make a beautiful race yet we make female supermodels with a face that was designed by a makeup artist and we give males no hairstyles and a reogadyn body while we give them some fur textures and leave them extremely unfinished for release. Makes lots of sense

-Oh, and let's not forget that the hrotgar look awfully human compared to the beast race from ArenaNet, a studio that actually did work hard for their beast race. Tell me hrotgar is bestial like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLAkBrp8kdo

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Ok so first-

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Hey there, "Snip"ing my post ends the convo as it hides my words and forces someone to do the leg work for you by tracking down my post.

So gn.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Hey there, "Snip"ing my post ends the convo as it hides my words and forces someone to do the leg work for you by tracking down my post.

So gn.

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I had to snip because if not the post was too large (over 3k characters) but gn I guess lol

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that the male hrotgar would be rather unpopular, and will be arround male elezen once the initial storm of the new races goes down, mostly for their customization which is extremely limited, but they will look cool and it will be nice seeing one of them in your parties

Also, I don't really think it will take until 7.0, considering that not only has Matsuno been talking about male viera on his twitter and literally saying 'where's the male viera' on a drawing, but dataminers have found that in the code there's intentional space left for the missing genders, that combined with many other things, [/B]makes me think that they very well could[B] either have plans or maybe even have started working on them which would most likely significate a 6.0 release, but there is always a chance that we might not get them at 6.0 and sadly, we don't even have a confirmation that we will

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Or it could just mean that the CC menu is coded in such a strict way that it doesn't allow them to just smack the gender symbol in the middle without breaking anything, not that they left it there intentionally. Same argument was made with the bug in the french version of the game (adressing Hroth and Viera as both genders) and that didn't pan out at all.

This clinging to every minor detail as a clue that mViera might come or is being worked on already reminds me of a poster on another website: "The fact that the mouse pointer in FFXIV looks like a carrot means Viera confirmed!". They said this years ago.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Or it could just mean that the CC menu is coded in such a strict way that it doesn't allow them to just smack the gender symbol in the middle without breaking anything, not that they left it there intentionally. Same argument was made with the bug in the french version of the game (adressing Hroth and Viera as both genders) and that didn't pan out at all.

This clinging to every minor detail as a clue that mViera might come or is being worked on already reminds me of a poster on another website: "The fact that the mouse pointer in FFXIV looks like a carrot means Viera confirmed!". They said this years ago.

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Ofc its clinging to every tiny detail since its everything that we have. And like I said, I'm talkign that dataminers have found that the devs have intentionally made the code so that they could later add this things

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that the male hrotgar would be rather unpopular, and will be arround male elezen once the initial storm of the new races goes down, mostly for their customization which is extremely limited, but they will look cool and it will be nice seeing one of them in your parties

Also, I don't really think it will take until 7.0, considering that not only has Matsuno been talking about male viera on his twitter and literally saying 'where's the male viera' on a drawing, but dataminers have found that in the code there's intentional space left for the missing genders, that combined with many other things, [/B]makes me think that they very well could[B] either have plans or maybe even have started working on them which would most likely significate a 6.0 release, but there is always a chance that we might not get them at 6.0 and sadly, we don't even have a confirmation that we will

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I have a better question, why is it you feel a need to bash hrothgar so hard? Almost every post you make is aginst hrothgar and stateing how it wont be popular and how male viera will make SE so damn rich they would be idiots if they dont add them. Male viera will bring in just as much as male hrothgar, its always female characters that bring in the money. Thats why males have a lot less store options than females. Nothing against that, but damn man, stop makeing male viera to be this super secrets god sent to SE. Iv been down for male viera, but holy heck, with the amount of praise you give to it while knocking literally any persons reason or perspective of why hrothgar are fine or why it may be possible that SE might not give a flip, you make me low key want them to say "naw" just to see your reaction

From SE’s perspective, offering players more options to express themselves only matters conditionally - i.e. to the extent that they consider it has the prospect to improve profit. There is no feature that ‘deserves’ to be added without that factor in mind. They’ve conceded they’re taking a risk with Hrothgar, but let’s not forget that the goal is still to realise higher profits. If the risk pays off sufficiently, either for both of the new races or at least one of them, we may see the missing genders added in both cases (because it’d vex many players to just add one and not the other), but dessert has little to do with it.

Well now that sexism and all that nonsense isn't being thrown around anymore i want to say some more on this topic. First all of you saying they should of done both, stop it. They couldn't of done both. They have said multiple time they didn't have the budget for both. You can make the argument they should of done one or the other but they also have stated that the community has wanted both so they wanted to cater to both sides. They also said they didn't want the male Viera to look like miqo with bunny ears. Since they only have concept art for males and not actual 3d models it would of taken them much longer to make, so instead the went with 2 races one of each gender. For all the people who say they are unsubbing as well, thats not gonna help get your precious bunny boys any faster because making them will take away resources from the rest of the game and that will be worse in the long run. What will help is staying subbed, showing square your love of the game, and showing that 14 needs more budget for the completion of the races.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I have a better question, why is it you feel a need to bash hrothgar so hard? Almost every post you make is aginst hrothgar and stateing how it wont be popular and how male viera will make SE so damn rich they would be idiots if they dont add them. Male viera will bring in just as much as male hrothgar, its always female characters that bring in the money. Thats why males have a lot less store options than females. Nothing against that, but damn man, stop makeing male viera to be this super secrets god sent to SE. Iv been down for male viera, but holy heck, with the amount of praise you give to it while knocking literally any persons reason or perspective of why hrothgar are fine or why it may be possible that SE might not give a flip, you make me low key want them to say "naw" just to see your reaction

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Well no, there’s just 2 picks where the females vastly outnumber the males, lizard and cat girls, and incidentally their male counterparts are also amongst the more popular of the lot. Lets not pretend the figures for the rest are similar or that the males are all played at similar rates.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I have a better question, why is it you feel a need to bash hrothgar so hard? Almost every post you make is aginst hrothgar and stateing how it wont be popular and how male viera will make SE so damn rich they would be idiots if they dont add them. Male viera will bring in just as much as male hrothgar, its always female characters that bring in the money. Thats why males have a lot less store options than females. Nothing against that, but damn man, stop makeing male viera to be this super secrets god sent to SE. Iv been down for male viera, but holy heck, with the amount of praise you give to it while knocking literally any persons reason or perspective of why hrothgar are fine or why it may be possible that SE might not give a flip, you make me low key want them to say "naw" just to see your reaction

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Because at the end of the day most people don't care about anything else but what they want (it's normal and I'm not bothered by it), some are honest and upfront and others try to use words like a magic spell in hope to achieve the desired goal. Anyway, never trust anyone that insists on use "we" when stating his/her opinion.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

its always female characters that bring in the money.

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According to ffxivcensus, there are 355 353 female characters and 245 775 male characters in "active players" section, so male characters are 40% of population roughly. It's not that bad, I actually think in other MMOs male characters aren't that popular. /thinks

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I have a better question, why is it you feel a need to bash hrothgar so hard? Almost every post you make is aginst hrothgar and stateing how it wont be popular and how male viera will make SE so damn rich they would be idiots if they dont add them. Male viera will bring in just as much as male hrothgar, its always female characters that bring in the money. Thats why males have a lot less store options than females. Nothing against that, but damn man, stop makeing male viera to be this super secrets god sent to SE. Iv been down for male viera, but holy heck, with the amount of praise you give to it while knocking literally any persons reason or perspective of why hrothgar are fine or why it may be possible that SE might not give a flip, you make me low key want them to say "naw" just to see your reaction

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bash hrotgar so hard? I just said they have extremely limited customization, since they can't even choose hairs. I dont care about male hrotgar at all and in fact, I will like sering them arround

Oh btw, I'm sure that males don't bring anything in. Exactly the reason why sometimes at least 3/5 of the characters you see are catbois yet you have to look under stones to find male roes

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Originally Posted by zeylos

bash hrotgar so hard? I just said they have extremely limited customization, since they can't even choose hairs. I dont care about male hrotgar at all and in fact, I will like sering them arround

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At this moment in time, we're unsure if that's the actual fact with Hrothgar - it's best to wait until we're 100% sure that this isn't just a limitation of the benchmark. Sadly, however - the cynic in me thinks that they have been shafted in the hair department due to their other customisations. They had to sacrifice something for it. All of the hairs that are available are all 'mane like' So I suppose, that's why? Note; the short hairstyles are linked into young male lions/cubs. So, it seems to be linked to the 'lion mane'.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

According to ffxivcensus, there are 355 353 female characters and 245 775 male characters in "active players" section, so male characters are 40% of population roughly. It's not that bad, I actually think in other MMOs male characters aren't that popular. /thinks

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Yeah, it’s better than many other Asian MMOs. It’s worth noting WoW has the inverse demographic trend, ie more male toons.

Nonetheless, in XIV’s case it’s entirely down to two female race combos specifically - for the others there’s roughly parity or it reverses. What is important is whether a race/gender combo brings in enough revenue to cover its costs. But at a combined 40% it’s more than adequate, and like I said, there’s discrepancies in the male figures anyway, ie their popularity varies.

everything is so different in benchmark compared to main CC
all the races defaults are different,faces are shown in a row instead of 2 by 2
it is a bit hard to believe hroth has more coming when they reach main game kinda ruins the point of "getting your character ready before expansion is out" when you might have to spend extra 10-30 minutes in main CC for new stuff

edit: i was also bummed that the dancers hair style in there render was not in the benchmark means 5+ weeks of worrying if that hair is female exclusive

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Originally Posted by Duskane

everything is so different in benchmark compared to main CC
all the races defaults are different,faces are shown in a row instead of 2 by 2
it is a bit hard to believe hroth has more coming when they reach main game kinda ruins the point of "getting your character ready before expansion is out" when you might have to spend extra 10-30 minutes in main CC for new stuff

edit: i was also bummed that the dancers hair style in there render was not in the benchmark means 5+ weeks of worrying if that hair is female exclusive

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I also have my doubts that male hrotgar will be any different. I think that the problem is SE trying to do a race that they weren't comfortable with at all, since hey have never ever done a beast race and I think they underestimated how hard it truly is

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I also have my doubts that male hrotgar will be any different. I think that the problem is SE trying to do a race that they weren't comfortable with at all, since hey have never ever done a beast race and I think they underestimated how hard it truly is

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Wishful thinking, but maybe since Hrothgar are uncharted territory to them, maybe they'll be more willing to go back and work on them as time goes by?

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Originally Posted by Gihwezi

Wishful thinking, but maybe since Hrothgar are uncharted territory to them, maybe they'll be more willing to go back and work on them as time goes by?

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I hope so. I personally couldn't care less about male hrotgar in terms of playing them myself, since I would most likely only play a female and as an alt, but I wish they look exactly like how the ppl who want them like

yes definitely been couple of occasion where they have bitten off more than they can chew (eureka)
but i don't think that's generally a bad thing they want to go the extra mile for fans even if its a struggle

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yes definitely been couple of occasion where they have bitten off more than they can chew (eureka)
but i don't think that's generally a bad thing they want to go the extra mile for fans even if its a struggle

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Honestly, I think that for instance with giving 2 races instead of one, they eneded up not pleasing nearly as many people as if they had only did 1, and that is due to 2 reasons:

1-Many players are heavily let down by the fact that they won't be able to play as the gender they want of their race, which as we have seen has cause heavy commotion on the community and a large amount of backlash, even causing them to consider adding the other genders, which would have not happened had they only done 1

2-The fact that the heads are so different means that not only do they have limited customization (female viera's customization is ok, could certainly use more diverse hairstyles, but male hrotgar customization is perhaps the worst customization we have in the game, based on not being able to even choose something as basic as hair) and that they will not be able to wear various types of headgear, which will specially affect new players that might think: Why can a female miqote wear a hood but my female viera can't?!

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Honestly, I think that for instance with giving 2 races instead of one, they eneded up not pleasing nearly as many people as if they had only did 1, and that is due to 2 reasons:

1-Many players are heavily let down by the fact that they won't be able to play as the gender they want of their race, which as we have seen has cause heavy commotion on the community and a large amount of backlash, even causing them to consider adding the other genders, which would have not happened had they only done 1

2-The fact that the heads are so different means that not only do they have limited customization (female viera's customization is ok, could certainly use more diverse hairstyles, but male hrotgar customization is perhaps the worst customization we have in the game, based on not being able to even choose something as basic as hair) and that they will not be able to wear various types of headgear, which will specially affect new players that might think: Why can a female miqote wear a hood but my female viera can't?!

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I agree 100% I’m not hating that we got hrothgar but do you really think all this drama would of happened if we just got viera? No. Mostly everyone knew it was viera. We didn’t even know hrothgar existed so everyone was just expecting viera, not including leaks.

Just because its not good now doesn't mean its not gonna be good at launch. You have to realize that there are going to be a bunch of new hair styles that are probably gonna be in the Aesthetician that are not in the CC in the benchmark for both Viera and Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

I agree 100% I’m not hating that we got hrothgar but do you really think all this drama would of happened if we just got viera? No. Mostly everyone knew it was viera. We didn’t even know hrothgar existed so everyone was just expecting viera, not including leaks.

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Plus there was close to nobody complaining when viera were announced. The only complaint (which is the biggest complaint ever to have been on the game so far) is about the absence of the missing genders, specially male viera probably due to the fact that the female viera were showed earlier

Also, regardin the post before the one I quoted, I don't see the reason why they would limit those to the asthetician

I know this is double posting and all, but I'm currently unable to edit and I don't see a reason to wait until I get to my house (which will take a long time) to ask this, so:

Has there been any questions regarding male viera and female hrotgar, or the new races in general on the media tour?

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I know this is double posting and all, but I'm currently unable to edit and I don't see a reason to wait until I get to my house (which will take a long time) to ask this, so:

Has there been any questions regarding male viera and female hrotgar, or the new races in general on the media tour?

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Not that I've seen although I haven't read all of them. Media Tour is still too early after JP Fan Fest and especially after the Live Letter so any response we got on the topic would be the same as in the LL.

There's likely nothing about them in the media tour because they're irrelevant to Shadowbringers launch. We know they're not arriving with 5.0 - and the people expecting every new interview to mention them are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Yoshi-P has already made an official statement on the matter. They're simply not a priority for now. When the expansion has launched and the development team has a bit more breathing room, they may begin development on them. Yet even then, it isn't guaranteed.

If we get them, we get them. If we don't, we don't.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's likely nothing about them in the media tour because they're irrelevant to Shadowbringers launch. We know they're not arriving with 5.0 - and the people expecting every new interview to mention them are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Yoshi-P has already made an official statement on the matter. They're simply not a priority for now. When the expansion has launched and the development team has a bit more breathing room, they may begin development on them. Yet even then, it isn't guaranteed.

If we get them, we get them. If we don't, we don't.

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We know they aren't arriving at 5.0, but we also know there's a possibility they come at 5.x-6.0 (althoug 5.x is quite unlikely) and I think people might have been instructed not to ask this questions. I expect that on interviews after the launch of shadowbringers the question will get asked a decent bit

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Originally Posted by zeylos

We know they aren't arriving at 5.0, but we also know there's a possibility they come at 5.x-6.0 (althoug 5.x is quite unlikely) and I think people might have been instructed not to ask this questions. I expect that on interviews after the launch of shadowbringers the question will get asked a decent bit

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There's no questions because they've made their point pretty clear I think, it was pretty much as was rationally expected. Not many interviews after initial response and most likely a lot of fan questions, the issue really is whether the dev team has the desire to fix issues they seem to be having with gear. I think there's a good chance of this happening SOMEWHERE down the line if their vision of "Perfecting" what they already have includes updating systems, of course it could be the counter that fixing the issue with gear might just be out of the realm of what they can do with a 2nd generation MMO and might have to wait for a 3rd generation MMO instead.

That being said I think the chance of them releasing in 5.x is really really generous, that would imply they've solved this issue by the time the expansion has launched and it's cut down on race development time by something of upwards to 9 or 10 months. I think 6.0 is more reasonable if they fix this issue mid 5.x like 5.3/5.2 and it can cut down on 6 months of development because of this.

http://is2.4chan.org/v/1559152784632.png

That last bit isn't too encouraging, in regards to their next MMO. :p

Still, the comments on XIV do make me a bit more optimistic about the prospects of potential graphics/character customisation enhancements, as it seems the next MMO will differ to the point where it isn't a direct competitor given what he's said.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

(...) 2-The fact that the heads are so different means that not only do they have limited customization (female viera's customization is ok, could certainly use more diverse hairstyles, but male hrotgar customization is perhaps the worst customization we have in the game, based on not being able to even choose something as basic as hair) and that they will not be able to wear various types of headgear, which will specially affect new players that might think: Why can a female miqote wear a hood but my female viera can't?!

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At a first moment, when I thought about the headgear, I believed they had problems with making the hoods be wearable with the animations of viera's ears. Now, as I can saw on benchmark, the ears don't even do animations, they are more statick than the bunny ears that we can buy at GS.
I don't have much knowledge on these things, but (correct me if I'm wrong) could not they just make a "cut" on the hoods, and pass the ears throught it? Plate armours ok, they will need to make a "mettalic ears", but cloth... Well, I don't know how hard is to do these things.

I really hope they add some details on these races (Hrothgar doesn't have ears animations too). It's a tiny detail, but when I see two big bunny ears without make one movement in the animations, it's weird for me

Perhaps there will be animations, but not on the benchmark, and I'm crying for nothing too haha

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Originally Posted by Lauront

That last bit isn't too encouraging, in regards to their next MMO. :p

Still, the comments on XIV do make me a bit more optimistic about the prospects of potential graphics/character customisation enhancements, as it seems the next MMO will differ to the point where it isn't a direct competitor given what he's said.

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Yeah I'll just have to disagree with Yoshida on that, while I agree some early streamlining on XIV could be used. I don't think games like fortnite and battle royale is a good example for a story driven MMO to follow, if they'd even make it story driven. I as a consumer just don't find them entertaining especially with a lot of their core sources of revenue(loot boxes) being on the verge of being banned in the USA.

But yes it seems they are aware that they can still perfect the formula, I'm really hoping this leads into them addressing technical and graphical issues and not just pruning abilities/streamlining jobs, because for me there's only so much that can be streamlined when it comes to job aspects before you go past the point of good balance.

Nevertheless I'm looking forward to seeing how this expansion pans out in terms of fixing graphical and technical issues.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

There's no questions because they've made their point pretty clear I think, it was pretty much as was rationally expected. Not many interviews after initial response and most likely a lot of fan questions, the issue really is whether the dev team has the desire to fix issues they seem to be having with gear. I think there's a good chance of this happening SOMEWHERE down the line if their vision of "Perfecting" what they already have includes updating systems, of course it could be the counter that fixing the issue with gear might just be out of the realm of what they can do with a 2nd generation MMO and might have to wait for a 3rd generation MMO instead.

That being said I think the chance of them releasing in 5.x is really really generous, that would imply they've solved this issue by the time the expansion has launched and it's cut down on race development time by something of upwards to 9 or 10 months. I think 6.0 is more reasonable if they fix this issue mid 5.x like 5.3/5.2 and it can cut down on 6 months of development because of this.

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Yeah, I had read somewhere about that too, that's why I got really sad when they did not announce the male...
Also, had read that their Project for XIV was sure til 7.0
And that make my heart go thin, as it is a wink to reach there. I'm starting to think that if we get male viera, it will be on the next game... which I do hope is not MOBA or a Battle Royale.

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That last bit isn't too encouraging, in regards to their next MMO. :p

Still, the comments on XIV do make me a bit more optimistic about the prospects of potential graphics/character customisation enhancements, as it seems the next MMO will differ to the point where it isn't a direct competitor given what he's said.

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I hope their next MMO is just as good as this one, and it's set on Ivalice, but both of this things are extremely unlikely lol

Also Brightmore, what makes you think that they wont do it in this game? I think it would make more sense than for the next one

Hit post limit. Brightmore I'd like if you could tell me what does any of the info given there have to do with genderlocks in general? I actually think it's either neutral or slitghly possitive, since if the game isn't updated as frequently at some point, that means we are likely to get male viera and female hrotgar in case we haven't already gotten them before, sicne all of the current issues would most likely not be there

My last edit. Oh ok Brightmore. I understood it now

If those info are true, it's a close window to invest. It would make more sense if applied in the new game. That's a "IF", I work with the two with hopes of getting them still here. :P

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There's no questions because they've made their point pretty clear I think, it was pretty much as was rationally expected. Not many interviews after initial response and most likely a lot of fan questions, the issue really is whether the dev team has the desire to fix issues they seem to be having with gear. I think there's a good chance of this happening SOMEWHERE down the line if their vision of "Perfecting" what they already have includes updating systems, of course it could be the counter that fixing the issue with gear might just be out of the realm of what they can do with a 2nd generation MMO and might have to wait for a 3rd generation MMO instead.

That being said I think the chance of them releasing in 5.x is really really generous, that would imply they've solved this issue by the time the expansion has launched and it's cut down on race development time by something of upwards to 9 or 10 months. I think 6.0 is more reasonable if they fix this issue mid 5.x like 5.3/5.2 and it can cut down on 6 months of development because of this.

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That sounds terrible. So, the next MMO is gonna be some casual trash (literally) that you can hop in and hop out, because apparently players nowadays don't have the attention span to play something like FFXIV or WoW? This is laughable, and sad, and scary at the same time.

Actually, I think Yoshida is flat out WRONG here. I think the reason there is player drop off is because there hasn't been a compelling game in this format for a very long time. I do NOT think players are to blame here. I find it extremely annoying that developers continue to blame the players for their own mistakes when it comes to their games. Look at WoW classic, and look at the massive popularity it is creating. I can't believe the genre I love is going to be ruined, because publishers want to cash in on trash like fortnite or garbage MOBAs.

Yeah, it will be the day that I will start to see the sunlight.
Same way gamers hop from game to game, most of those don't have this feeling of immersion or catch to hold a base for years like past gen.

@zeylos I don't think that they have any relation with the genderlock. What I think is that they came with Hroth just to grab WoW refugees and fill a niche in game that seeks a race more brute-ish, that's why we get the half genders, they gambled that the ones that like the slim/beauty would suffice with just female, while grabbin' the others with Hroth.
I think they will implemente the missing genders, they are caring for their base. It's just a rushed move that fired a bit back.

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That sounds terrible. So, the next MMO is gonna be some casual trash (literally) that you can hop in and hop out, because apparently players nowadays don't have the attention span to play something like FFXIV or WoW? This is laughable, and sad, and scary at the same time.

Actually, I think Yoshida is flat out WRONG here. I think the reason there is player drop off is because there hasn't been a compelling game in this format for a very long time. I do NOT think players are to blame here. I find it extremely annoying that developers continue to blame the players for their own mistakes when it comes to their games. Look at WoW classic, and look at the massive popularity it is creating. I can't believe the genre I love is going to be ruined, because publishers want to cash in on trash like fortnite are garbage MOBAs.

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What, the idea of a bunch of cat boys and girls running around trying to fire blast each other off stages for all of the games life span isn't riveting and exciting to you? Churro, I thought we were more alike than that.

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Yeah, it will be the day that I will start to see the sunlight.
Same way gamers hop from game to game, most of those don't have this feeling of immersion or catch to hold a base for years like past gen.

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Ironically, when it comes to battle royale garbage, I think most of the people playing it don't even like the games they are playing! They are playing it because their favorite juvenile streamer is playing it, and you can tell by the mass drop offs that happen when they switch games. Apex Legends, for that example, is completely dead now, a fairly compelling, and polished game within it's own genre. It's a popularity contest; a fad. Nothing like what evoked players in the early days of WoW, and I didn't even play WoW back then.

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What, the idea of a bunch of cat boys and girls running around trying to fire blast each other off stages for all of the games life span isn't riveting and exciting to you? Churro, I thought we were more alike than that.

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I can't wait to bring my low IQ to something like that, that is truly worthy of my time.

Looks like streamlining and "accessibility" is going to be the name of the day, just look how great that has been for WoW retail! I am actually fuming right now.