Heals for Scholors need a buff

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Originally Posted by Draemos

I'd point out that the nature of a pro-active healer is always going to make them have inflated numbers over a reactive healer. You're "sniping" heals before they ever show up for the WHM to heal, so you'll almost always come out ahead.

Also, you'll never give a second thought to firing off an Embrace w/ your Fairy. A WHM will hold his heals to make sure he's not over-healing.

The end result isn't quite as reflective of the power of the healers as you might think.

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Except I still out heal WHM's every time even when not factoring in bubbles. So your "argument" is invalid. I've been able to keep the group alive solo and res our dead White Mage many times with little incident in Ifrit hard mode.

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Originally Posted by Kyomih

sustained healing is powerful on parsers but does it really matter more than burst heals? No, it doesn't and I said that earlier in the thread already. It depends on the fight and if you can't get your tank to recover from a big hit fast and he ends up dying no amount of overall healing during a fight can save the day.

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1) Bubbles aren't over-healing.
2) Scholars have very little over-healing - it's WHM's with the double regens that often tick with people at full health.

Thus, the "overall healing" isn't just getting stacked with little effect on the actual healing being done like you're inferring.

3) I can bring a tank back from near death just like a WHM can. 3x Lustrate (off GCD) + 1 Adloq will bring anyone to full with little issue. Oh an my Faerie healed the tank during that little mishap too.

The entire point of a Scholar is to not let yourself get behind on healing, by using your bubbles correctly, and to say that we can't recover from that is just silly and illustrates you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to healing.

WHM can out heal us on burst AoE - The end.

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Originally Posted by Scerick

Except I still out heal WHM's every time even when not factoring in bubbles. So your "argument" is invalid. I've been able to keep the group alive solo and res our dead White Mage many times with little incident in Ifrit hard mode.

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Um, no. You fire off your heals before a WHM ever would because they have less potency and you don't have to worry about the overheal.

For instance, you'll fire off an Adloquium at a ~500 health deficit. A WHM would wait til the same target has a 1000+ deficit. You also can feel more at ease using that Adloquium in a multi-healer environment because there s less chance that heal ends up being wasted when multiple healers are topping off targets.

Of course the big thing is the fairy. A no resource embrace that anyone worth a nickel will be spamming endlessly regardless of overheal.

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Originally Posted by Draemos

Um, no. You fire off your heals before a WHM ever would because they have less potency and you don't have to worry about the overheal.

For instance, you'll fire off an Adloquium at a ~500 health deficit. A WHM would wait til the same target has a 1000+ deficit.

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Where in your thought process do you not realize that bubble heals are more effective than reactive heals? Have you ever healed any competitive progression raiding? That Adloquium has the same effective healing as the WHM heal (way more effectiveness if it crits), but gave the tank an effective +500 HP. Those are also using your numbers, my Adloq heals for ~700 consistently giving me a ~1400hp heal non crit.

I can maintain higher HPS for much longer than a WHM, prevent them from healing with my own heals, give myself multiple buffers through the reduced damage Scholars receive, and have 3 on demand instant off-gcd heals for the tank if there is a moment where I get slightly behind.

Please illustrate where I am "not as powerful as I might think", because all you've done this far is inadvertently prove why Scholars are just as good as WHM's twice now.

Also Math: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1132114

Since you obviously didn't read all of the posts in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Scerick

Where in your thought process do you not realize that bubble heals are more effective than reactive heals? Have you ever healed any competitive progression raiding? Blah blah epeen

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Are you dumb or obstinate? I'm not saying your not powerful or that the WHM is more powerful, I'm saying utilizing a parse to showcase why how your healing far more than a reactive healer like the WHM is STUPID because of the nature of the classes and how they utilize their spells.

You also left WHMs regen ff your little math thread. If a WHM rolls regen on two targets it matches the output of a fairies embrace.

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Originally Posted by Draemos

Are you dumb or obstinate? I'm not saying your not powerful or that the WHM is more powerful, I'm saying utilizing a parse to showcase why how your healing far more than a reactive healer like the WHM is STUPID because of the nature of the classes and how they utilize their spells.

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You literally quoted me, said our heals aren't as effective as we (Scholar's) might think because they're "inflated" and then said we're not as powerful as we think.

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Originally Posted by Draemos

I'd point out that the nature of a pro-active healer is always going to make them have inflated numbers over a reactive healer. You're "sniping" heals before they ever show up for the WHM to heal, so you'll almost always come out ahead.

Also, you'll never give a second thought to firing off an Embrace w/ your Fairy. A WHM will hold his heals to make sure he's not over-healing.

The end result isn't quite as reflective of the power of the healers as you might think.

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So, based on what YOU posted - it appears you either fail to understand that bubbles are still heals and they aren't inflating anything, or you're trying to justify your decision of playing a WHM over a SCH, which is completely unnecessary I might add.

It's silly to come here and expect everyone to just subscribe to your line of thinking without any factual evidence or math that supports your statement of "SCH only look strong because they can bubble, they're not that good".

The only thing we can't compete with is Cure III - your burst AOE healing capability (which I already conceded to multiple times in this thread), and you're not going to be spamming that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Draemos

You also left WHMs regen ff your little math thread. If a WHM rolls regen on two targets it matches the output of a fairies embrace.

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Now we're also getting right back to the argument of over-healing stacking the meters and not really being as powerful as it "looks". More often than not heal over time spells end up as over-heals because of how long (21 seconds) it takes for the full value of the heal to be applied to the target.

Edit: You also resorted to petty and childish name calling. How do you expect anyone to consider and respect your opinion seriously now? Lol

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Originally Posted by Scerick

You literally quoted me, said our heals aren't as effective as we (Scholar's) might think because they're "inflated" and then said we're not as powerful as we think...

My fairy heals are free...


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Oh FFS...Neither class is hurting for healing power. Bubbles are fantastic, but its their nature to snipe heals from a relative healer, that doesn't diminish them in any way, but it's going to skew a parse. It's basically like you getting a head start on your wack-a-mole.

You're acting like SCH dominate WHMs because of a parse and its logically unsound. The SCH is in no way weak and I'm not saying that, but neither is it heads and tails above a WHM like your parse(and you) would suggest.

Your fairy heals being free are not relevant to healing throughput. If the fight becomes a MP battle, that's obviously a big bonus for SCH, but it's not any different than me pointing out my Regens can't die or require healing themselves to keep alive in certain fights,

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Originally Posted by Draemos

Oh FFS...Neither class is hurting for healing power.***SNIP***

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I think we are inadvertently arguing the same point. If you go back to my original posts in this thread they are responses to people saying that SCH needs to be buffed because we suck vs. WHM. Which you and I both know, is complete crap. I didn't post this information to say that WHM's are terrible and people are stupid for playing the class. I only brought up the healing parses because it was being taken as gospel that SCH couldn't compete with a WHM on any level.

I am a strong proponent of WHM's and think it's an amazing class. I'm going to be leveling my CNJ to 50 now just so I can be as flexible a healer as possible. I also love healing with 1 WHM 1 SCH vs 2 SCH. Two scholars are just not as effective as WHM/SCH healing combo. WHM/SCH is borderline OP.

You and I are arguing the same point, just on different pages. I misjudged your intent and for that I apologize.

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Originally Posted by Scerick

You literally quoted me, said our heals aren't as effective as we (Scholar's) might think because they're "inflated" and then said we're not as powerful as we think.

So, based on what YOU posted - it appears you either fail to understand that bubbles are still heals and they aren't inflating anything, or you're trying to justify your decision of playing a WHM over a SCH, which is completely unnecessary I might add.

It's silly to come here and expect everyone to just subscribe to your line of thinking without any factual evidence or math that supports your statement of "SCH only look strong because they can bubble, they're not that good".

The only thing we can't compete with is Cure III - your burst AOE healing capability (which I already conceded to multiple times in this thread), and you're not going to be spamming that anyway.

My faerie's heals are free. Your regens are not. My faerie heals 300 value in 2.5 seconds and 600 in 5.5. Your regen heals 300 value in 23.5 (not considering reduced GCD) seconds. How was this a fair comparison again?

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Complete misinformation, fairy first off has a recast of 3 sec. Secondly it takes her her 3.5 to 6 seconds to heal. Watch any hard mode fight and notice the occasional delay between fairy or even just play sch .
1. There is always a small delay for her to heal after we issue the command
2. Occasionally a random 1-2 sec delay when we command
3. We cant command whilst casting.
4. She wont heal players till they are 70% there has been occasional where people have low but fairy wasnt healing.


The ai is not perfect. Regen is always reliable compared to fairy.

Top guilds are stacking whm for titan and bahamut coil. I have not seen sch stack in highest endgame yet

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

I am going to post complete misinformation

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Fixed.

The faerie's heal is 2.5 second cast with a 3 second cooldown. My math is spot on, you are incorrect, the delay you are noticing is waiting for the 3 second cooldown. She chain casts using Embrace on cooldown if there is HP to be healed or isn't busy casting one of her other spells.

1) No there isn't. Get a better connection.
2) See #1
3) You don't need to command, she will chain heal any target who is missing enough HP for the AI to consider it "not an overheal".
4) Wrong, she starts heals on my tanks when they are missing less than 20% of their HP. It's based on the amount missing, not the percentage. She will wait for DPS to be lower than the tank to start a heal which is where I'm sure you're getting this 70% nonsense. Even if this were the case it's irrelevant considering most tanks during progression get hit for 50% of their health pool on Ifrit.

show me a vid of faerie in hard mode chain healing b4 u say bs. Any experience sch knows that faerie isnt perfect compared to regen.