Chaotic Alliance Raid is a fun fight, but awful content

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

As a former savage raider who is now a parent, I am capable of doing the content, the problem is the time needed to learn the content. I can't afford the time it takes to stand up a PF group, learn the mechanics and then try to farm. I have at best, 1 hour of focus time to try to prog content. This is why I want more midcore content besides the casual content as we have a dearth of Savage content and hardly any other type of content.

I'm afraid that the triangle adventure zone they keep saying is comming may turn into another mixed bag where some of the content can be done by casuals to midcore but a savage component will eventually rear its head in there and block those players from progressing.

I'm starting to feel like I'm living the cliche, constantly being told that help is coming, just wait, hang on, its on the way... but by the time it arrives... its too late.


For those who wonder, here is how I gauge my content based upon time to learn:
* Casual - Up to a maximum of 10 minutes to learn the content / encounter with options to make it even easier if needed.
* Midcore - Up to a maximum of 60 minutes to learn an encounter. - (Extremes)
* Hardcore - Up to several lockouts to learn an encounter. - (Savage)
* Elite - Up to several days to weeks to learn an encounter. - (Ultimate)
* Heros - Playing FFXIV 1.0.0. - (Nightmare)

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Typically that is how the exploration content works. Bozja has a DRS encounter, for example. Even the "casual" content will include yet more Savage tier things.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

This is why I want more midcore content besides the casual content as we have a dearth of Savage content and hardly any other type of content.

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a dearth means there's a shortage/scarce supply btw

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

a dearth means there's a shortage/scarce supply btw

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Thank you, I have replaced it with "large amount".

English... gota love it...

Another day, another like 11-12hrs of doing chaotic.

I'd like to add the rewards are so bad compared to the time investment, the happy hour/DC bonus is apparently really shit. Why make it like that? Why not an entire day?
2 Coffers for 8 people? Really? 'savage'? Mount isn't guaranteed, minion isn't guaranteed, hair isn't guaranteed. I wanted to win the hair but even reclears feel really miserable....

I'm so tired of this. I never went at content for this many hours and I feel like if I don't do it now I won't be able to get what I want....awful reward design...

I don't even know when it can be unsynable considering there's towers and other shit to mess you up...

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Another day, another like 11-12hrs of doing chaotic.

I'd like to add the rewards are so bad compared to the time investment, the happy hour/DC bonus is apparently really shit. Why make it like that? Why not an entire day?
2 Coffers for 8 people? Really? 'savage'? Mount isn't guaranteed, minion isn't guaranteed, hair isn't guaranteed. I wanted to win the hair but even reclears feel really miserable....

I'm so tired of this. I never went at content for this many hours and I feel like if I don't do it now I won't be able to get what I want....awful reward design...

I don't even know when it can be unsynable considering there's towers and other shit to mess you up...

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Genuinely haven't considered the rng of there being no guaranteed loot in addition to the actual clearing of the raid... yikes.

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

Genuinely haven't considered the rng of there being no guaranteed loot in addition to the actual clearing of the raid... yikes.

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Yeah the coffers are RNG too. You could be hoping for chest piece and it might not even drop chest on that run. Good luck getting 24 people to consistently farm. I was in a group that did 5 kills, took 5 min break 2-3 people left, and back to wipe city.

I was wiping for hours today....I haven't seen a single clear till 6hrs in. I think if I put this much effort and time into savage I would've cleared it already. A friend is joking with me how I'm hardcore now with how much time commitment I gave this. I can't imagine someone with limited time, like 2hrs a day trying to prog/clear this fight. No way.

I've no life'd it since it came out. I barely slept cause I dream of this shitty thing...The materia I is so painful to get holy, even for glam....like I got 10+ clears and I didn't win a single coffer....I was losing 93 and 95 rolls..Really unlucky.

if you want the shroud you need 50 clears for 99 materia 1 and this is excluding the armor if you need it or want it for glam....124 materia 2 to buy the hair and dais...

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Yeah the coffers are RNG too. You could be hoping for chest piece and it might not even drop chest on that run. Good luck getting 24 people to consistently farm. I was in a group that did 5 kills, took 5 min break 2-3 people left, and back to wipe city.

I was wiping for hours today....I haven't seen a single clear till 6hrs in. I think if I put this much effort and time into savage I would've cleared it already. A friend is joking with me how I'm hardcore now with how much time commitment I gave this. I can't imagine someone with limited time, like 2hrs a day trying to prog/clear this fight. No way.

I've no life'd it since it came out. I barely slept cause I dream of this shitty thing...The materia I is so painful to get holy, even for glam....like I got 10+ clears and I didn't win a single coffer....I was losing 93 and 95 rolls..Really unlucky.

if you want the shroud you need 50 clears for 99 materia 1 and this is excluding the armor if you need it or want it for glam....124 materia 2 to buy the hair and dais...

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I'm more inclined to agree with people on other threads, now. Either attempt to farm it while it can be "farmed" or get the hairstyle/a mount off the marketboard while it's "cheap" because it feels like in a few months down the line this'll be more dead than the criterion content. Personally don't see 24 person statics being a thing due to she sheer organizing of getting 24 people free at once for multiple hours multiple times to clear this thing.

I thought it could be a good idea. Haven't had time to get into it with the Holidays, but watching other people do it? It's absolutely not what I was expecting. I PF'd my way through this savage tier, and became extremely burnt out from the constant wiping from other people who had supposedly cleared SEVERAL TIMES (some dozens of more times then me) screwing up on simple 8 person mechs. Why would I want to subject myself to something where there are now TWENTY FOUR people where one person messing up can force us to have to start over? I don't care if some gear is 'BiS' right now. I'm not dealing with that. It wasn't what I at least was asking for with harder Alliance Raids. I just wanted something closer to Neir again instead of the snooze fest that was Myths of the Realm.

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Originally Posted by Fuyuqi

Chaotic Alliance Raid feels like a complete misunderstanding of why people wanted it to begin with and I feel like it fails to deliver on the idea of a "harder alliance raid" and is unsatisfying as a piece of content for multiple reasons. The main reasons being the actual fight design, and the reward design.

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This 100% is going to only be popular as long as people need the mount or hair and dont want to pay the market prices. I can see this dying out in a month, on gilgamesh its already only 2-3 max PFs running it.

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Originally Posted by mangelinabrolee

This 100% is going to only be popular as long as people need the mount or hair and dont want to pay the market prices. I can see this dying out in a month, on gilgamesh its already only 2-3 max PFs running it.

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It'll be popular for as long as raiders can stomach going through PF with it. A group of 24 people who don't raid are going to struggle hard.