Hello, I haven't used a forum in over decade, but I feel similiar to many people here. A full transformation to an Angel at this stage is too much. What I haven't seen brought up yet is a hopefully sensible and referential solution: One Wing.
In FFXI Wings of the Goddess expansion (Scholar's debut as a flavoured job) the titular wings of the goddess are split between two persons, one wing each, to emphasize codependency. One wing alone can only go so far, but both wings together can soar. Several relics and Seraph herself reference back to this expansion being the reference point of Scholar as we know it.
In FFVII Crisis Core wings manifest on SOLDIERs (mutated military) under certain conditions. A SOLDIER losing their way/ going rogue eventually gain a black wing, on the other hand if they were able to "protect their honor" they gain a white wing (massively simplifying but consistent in a portion of comilation lore at least).
What I propose is for Scholar to gain temporarily a singular white wing of angelic design (with Bismarck's crafted weapon effects for example) to show progress towards "Seraphism", emphasize codependency on a "secong wing" (Eos/ Selene/ Seraph) and protection of an honor code (could be vaguely linked back to its Nymian roots or simply the desire to see allies saefly brought to victory).
At a later point in the leveling process, full Seraphism can be considered again, after we earned the second wing maybe, this part I am less sure about.
I hope I was able to make the metaphoric link between these concepts clear, would love to read your thoughts on this and wish everyone reading this a wonderful day
Scholar's Identity Transformation
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05-21-2024, 06:38 AMKaylune
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05-21-2024, 03:05 PMrawker
Bump......
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05-21-2024, 06:01 PMfulminating
To be fair to seraphism, and since there's nearly no information on what seraph is let alone this ability it's pure speculation, this could be their attempt at allowing the player a shiva-style summoning. I don't think this works for a variety of reasons, not least that it doesn't thematically fit from what we know, but if the face remains similar but tone shifte, as with ysale/ryne, then it could be what they're aiming at. Of course if it's just kymru or whatever the palace holy angel thing is called then I have no idea.
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05-21-2024, 06:14 PMSupersnow845If they were going for that angle wouldn’t that disallow us from summoning seraph at the same time because we would have “summoned her into our body”Quote:
Originally Posted by fulminating
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05-21-2024, 06:31 PMfulminatingIt would, but I'm grasping at straws here. It just makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
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05-21-2024, 07:05 PMCalystoIt would be a downgrade...Quote:
Originally Posted by fulminating
WoL can already do that with a certain mount ; like a certain sage did before.
WoL more or less became a primal a while ago ; while them channeling aspects of whatever entity to use their power is not to exclude, the only thing notable about that boss is that it was so weak you killed it three times.
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05-21-2024, 07:34 PMKadenLag
Disappointed with the transformation of scholar (summoner/scholar are my mains) personally I'm not overly fond of how we got a copy/paste from white mage but worse type skill, however whether you transform or not is personal preference so lets just carry on with the transformation part, it looks nothing like seraph/fairy etc, in fact the wings from the white mage would make more sense visually. It feels like there is no consistency or thought with the progression or attributes of scholar. The fairies have a specific look and feel but when we transform we get cardboard wings that look super stiff, and at first glance I doubt anyone would associate them with the fairies or scholar without being told.
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05-21-2024, 08:09 PMDeceptus
The fact that WHM got "fairy wings" in Endwalker and SCH get "angel form" in DT is pretty ironic.
It's like the people who's job it is to design healers don't even get the basic themes of the specific jobs. -
05-21-2024, 10:08 PMCalystoI mean.. they literally said in the Live Letter they don't even know or use the ingame names ; so there was probably a post-it "for the boring healer" on the animation and it was just a mistake...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
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05-21-2024, 10:09 PMNicola_Kunu
I've never played Scholar, so I'm going to offer an outside perspective of what the job looks like to non-SCH players.
I saw Scholar divided into its:
- Attacking characteristics (Plague Doctor DoT gameplay, before it became a 1 button job)
- Defensive characteristics (Academic/Researcher/University Student that has studied up on what it fights to effectively counter it using shields - due to the book, the graduation-style hat, and the eyeglasses that feature in most SCH artwork).
I had no idea it was supposed to be a military tactician.
Maybe I'm expecting more of a military commander aesthetic from the outfits as opposed to an Academic/Researcher/University Student... although, having googled some of them now, I can see some of them at least have some medals pinned to their chests/lapels. I might also just be ignorant of how military commanders are presented in other cultures (the hat strongly reminds me of graduating students in a ceremony...)
The angel transformation in the Dawntrail trailer being formed out of two fairies definitely doesn't communicate any "military tactician" vibes to me.
So I'm a bit confused on what Scholar is supposed to be.