Okay they weren't lying about the relic

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

This is one of the things that I'm sure people miss. The old relics had story, they had a plan to make them stronger, and now you have to go out and get the potentially rare material in order to make your weapon better. Your weapon felt special and the steps just enhanced that feeling.

With the current weapons, there isn't much story apart from making various oils to enhance aetherical conductivity, of which, the items needed to make the oil was stated as being very rare, but there happens to be a vendor nearby that sells them. Which is another problem. Why is it that Godbert, who is known to have a massive amount of wealth and who funds everything for these weapons, suddenly cannot afford to buy out space rock stock and instead gets us to collect them. If they had been harder to get it might have made sense for us to go out and spend time to collect them.

Also, as for the last step, though this is more of a personal gripe. The style of weapons just completely switches. They got from 'normal' weapons to something that seems to come from a more futuristic/technological age than the rest of the weapons. To make it clear, I have no issues with weapons that have this style, it just seems a bit jarring going to the last step. They could have made the DT relic be a more futuristic/tech style weapons and kept that theme throughout and it would have felt less out of place.

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They have been doing weird out of place shit this whole expac. It is clear as day that something (graphics update, ff16 etc.) took their focus away from delivering a good product. Yoshida has been literally gaslighting us this whole expac with weirder and weirder excuses.
But this is old hat for SE and mr. yoshi. It's just that now the cracks are so obvious that you have to be blind or try to ignore them purposefully to not see them.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

HW relics were basically just poetics. EW relics aren't really different from the past except the duties aren't assigned. You do whatever you want for tomes. The whole reason they probably assigned those duties in the past was to keep the duty finder churning. It wasn't to create engaging gameplay. It's kind of funny that people are nostalgic for it.

People complain about everything, so yes they did complain about Eureka and Bozja. Look at this thread, people are complaining that something they already knew was going to happen happened. They persist in complaining even though a new field operation has been announced.

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The difference with the HW Relic and the EW relic grinds are solely based within the design philosophy for each. EW is meant for a single player experience and HW is meant to bring the community together. In HW you had Fates, Dungeons and Trials and Items you could grind and you had savage farming for light steps. Fun with randoms and friends alike. The state of the game was different back then, Servers had entire communities and people knew each other and had fun within that community. THAT is why it's so memorable.

The EW relic removed ALL OF THAT for *choice* And it's a lack luster experience due to the game itself being lack luster, If Dungeons and Trials and All the other content wasn't so boring to do, then I'm p sure people wouldn;t have had much issue, if servers weren't so screwed by DC travel, or if we had Region Wide PFs, then the EW relic wouldn't feel so ass. The entire reason the EW relic is bad, boring, uninspired, is because it's base is all of that.

This is not rocket science.

Also Unless it was outright stated, the new group content isn't directly connected to relics. Him Bringing up Eureka and Bozja doesn't mean, Feild Opertions = Relics.

I like it cause I can pick how I can get the tomestones.

People seem to want to invoke the older MMOs without remembering the pitfalls they come with. Who actually enjoyed shouting for 30 or 40 mins to get a group together to level, or to find out they made changes to a job or class and the one you had spent years levelling is now blacklisted from groups because it doesn't meet an arbitrary DPS standard or doesn't synergize as well as others. I also don't think anyone really enjoyed waiting hours for the DF to pop with the latest MSQ dungeon you need to run because you wanted to play as a DPS job the expansions that they released two new ones.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

People seem to want to invoke the older MMOs without remembering the pitfalls they come with. Who actually enjoyed shouting for 30 or 40 mins to get a group together to level, or to find out they made changes to a job or class and the one you had spent years levelling is now blacklisted from groups because it doesn't meet an arbitrary DPS standard or doesn't synergize as well as others. I also don't think anyone really enjoyed waiting hours for the DF to pop with the latest MSQ dungeon you need to run because you wanted to play as a DPS job the expansions that they released two new ones.

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Sounds like you played on a hardcore server and didn't network. Older MMOs had their pitfalls yes, but Modern MMOs removing actually having to care about form and function also isn't great. Of course theres a middle ground between the extremes, and XIX used to do that well. Now it's pushing into the Extreme opposite to OG MMOs where you had to pledge your life to it. Now it's just touch and go, anything of substance is like drinking La criox, and everything else is like drinking water.

I have to say that tomestones are way better than doing delubrum reginae like 40 times. Or waiting for Castrum Lacus Litore to spawn only to have a Zone of people not wanting to do the fight so you can't do your relic.

I think these weapons should be tomestones going onward, lets you do a vast majority of content in the game pretty much to get them.

Just chiming in that I'm pretty disappointed in this step of the relics. Not really unique at all and most of them do not feel befitting of a weapon that should have a closer tie to the individual jobs. They feel very generic and uninspired.

Please do better in Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

Sounds like you played on a hardcore server and didn't network. Older MMOs had their pitfalls yes, but Modern MMOs removing actually having to care about form and function also isn't great. Of course theres a middle ground between the extremes, and XIX used to do that well. Now it's pushing into the Extreme opposite to OG MMOs where you had to pledge your life to it. Now it's just touch and go, anything of substance is like drinking La criox, and everything else is like drinking water.

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I played Everquest and no I did not play on a hardcore server, that is how the game still is today. Even in the earlier days of this game there were jobs being blacklisted from party finders because they fell short of the meta, not because they couldn't clear. Also to build a network of players that you can regularly group with is another time consuming task, and given the amount of guild drama there has been in other MMOs and FC drama there has been here keeping a group of people together for a length of time can have it's own problems separate of the game itself. The point being that there is this nostalgia for the classic MMO that I feel people don't really want to return to, just want to talk about how they remember when and how they are so much better than the modern player for having been there.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I have to say that tomestones are way better than doing delubrum reginae like 40 times. Or waiting for Castrum Lacus Litore to spawn only to have a Zone of people not wanting to do the fight so you can't do your relic.

I think these weapons should be tomestones going onward, lets you do a vast majority of content in the game pretty much to get them.

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Bozja definitely has it's failings, but that's why they should've improved upon them.

The entire ShB relic process gave us alternatives for each step that could be done outside of Bozja. The biggest failing was that the alternative step for DR and just them refusing to future proof DR.

DR should not take 10 mins to queue into it with 8 people, and the timeworns from PotD should be increased + guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

Older MMOs had their pitfalls yes, but Modern MMOs removing actually having to care about form and function also isn't great.

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Then go play an older mmo?