You're a Disgrace

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Funnily enough none of your examples actually apply to the custom launcher. Cheat tools to teleport require more than just client-side manipulation which, after a cursory glance, the launcher can't do and the bard player is an entirely standalone tool.
So enforcing the default SE launcher would fix neither the more blatant cheating, the kind that bots under the ground use, nor the bard bot bands.

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Threads like this just continue to prove it’s players who have 0 idea on what they are talking about attempting to give feedback on things they don’t understand

Like everytime this topic comes up

Careful now :p knowing too much are demonized and can make it seem like you're one of the cheater!

/s

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

So I'm going to start off by saying I can't prove you quoting me repeatedly because there's a suspicious amount of deleted posts on your end, and despite how close they are to mine and how I remember then that's not significant proof. I didn't take screenshots, nor are the threads backed up anywhere else. It's actually saddening to realize that it's something I'd have to do at this point too.

There's a handful of assumptions on my part and I'm willing to admit it. You never outright said you were looking for my posts, and I'm sure there's other things. It sure feels like it, but you never said it so that's whatever. There's plenty on your side though, and you've admitted that you come to the forums for the sake of being contrarian.

When you act the way that you do then people get tired of it, the lines blur and people assume that you're acting in bad faith. There's a reason I've needed multiple forum breaks when the likes of yourself, Stormpeaks and others have repeatedly made these forums and the discussions within them into more of a war where you attempt to tire out, irritate and force others in the conversations to submit and quit, rather than having a discussion in good faith.

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Nothing suspicious about it when you consider I jump into conversations about 3rd party tools or threads that are obvious trolls. So the threads get deleted with my comments (for a good chunk of them).
I also only admitted to coming here to start an argument for this thread alone. If you look at my replies in other threads you can see I take part in regular discussion all the time.
In most posts I provide my opinion. When someone else pointlessly attacks me or another is when I get into arguments. There's only ever been 2 people in these forums that I have/had a negative bias for. Everything else is my opinion which I'm entitled to.

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Originally Posted by shiraneko

Game netcode never authenticates every action the client makes. It would be a completely laggy mess with unresponsiveness and desync/rubber banding. The netcode has to make a compromise between what the server should authenticate and what the client handles for a comfortable experience.

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I know, I gave examples in regards to player movement and physics calculations being something the server has to trust from the client, goodness knows that would be murder on any server if it had to calculate the gravity and collision of hundreds of players. It's especially bad if you have high ping and had to wait for the server to tell where your character REALLY is before seeing the movement on your screen. I remember one game I played that did that and I stopped after 5 minutes, can't remember the name of it though. I think 1.0 might've been that paranoid when it came to the UI, it would authenticate whenever you wanted to open up a menu, so you had to wait for the server to say that yes, you can open up your character screen now. The client now at least retains a good deal of control whenever it needs something responsive.

I think the game is already good enough in regards to what it authenticates from the client, the most I want to see fixed is the animation lock bug that resets the lock when the client receives data back from the server that you successfully used a skill. That's something I think the client can be trusted with as, even if the client cheated and reduced the timer further, the server can still reject a skill if the timer on the server-side is still going.

In regards to the visual stuff vs cheats, yeah I know anti-cheats won't make a distinction, it'll go after both indiscriminately, I was speaking moreso on the morality of the two. I don't care if someone wants to wear a prettier dress (that I can't see anyway), but I do care if they start teleporting around the map or phasing through walls, etc. If the only way to solve the latter means destroying the former, then oh well.

As for anti-cheats, it would depend on the anti-cheat. Some are incredibly invasive and might trigger if a completely unrelated app opens up, others are system resource hogs that slow the game down too much, and others don't do jack to stop cheats. Some of these all at once. I also admit to not being familiar with how anti-cheats work, but I remember playing Maplestory back in the day and Gameguard was a useless pile of junk back then, never stopped hackers vacuuming every mob in the area towards them while they had invincibility cheats on.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Funnily enough none of your examples actually apply to the custom launcher. Cheat tools to teleport require more than just client-side manipulation which, after a cursory glance, the launcher can't do and the bard player is an entirely standalone tool.
So enforcing the default SE launcher would fix neither the more blatant cheating, the kind that bots under the ground use, nor the bard bot bands.

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Preventing the use of third party launchers is a good way to still being able to trace, if something fishy is going on, also... everything could be based on the client launcher not matching what the server wants and just not permitting the character to login and yes those people probably use other ways, but that is stuff that would be easier to nail down, once you only got one way to enter the game, as it is.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Preventing the use of third party launchers is a good way to still being able to trace, if something fishy is going on, also... everything could be based on the client launcher not matching what the server wants and just not permitting the character to login and yes those people probably use other ways, but that is stuff that would be easier to nail down, once you only got one way to enter the game, as it is.

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doesn't matter, until SE takes reporting seriously, we will still have the issues we have with the use of third-party tools to gain an advantage over other players. anytime there is discussion about things they can implement from the community people defend the third-party tool usage.

PC gaming has always been about tinkering with your software experience.
At this point is as if you were angry at people turning ON an option you rather they have OFF.

Besides, most of these people probably play the most anyway, pay a lot monthly and probably stay subbed even during the "content luls" of XIV.


As some people would say:"You don't pay their sub."

The worst part of this was people calling me a wintrader for having the title on day 5 after putting in the time. My sleep is still a wreck, but it's worth it to be King Bean. People always say that SE monitoring people's executable would be the end times, but personally I'd love to see it happen. They won't because that's a MASSIVE chunk of their income from the game but I can dream...

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

PC gaming has always been about tinkering with your software experience.
At this point is as if you were angry at people turning ON an option you rather they have OFF.

Besides, most of these people probably play the most anyway, pay a lot monthly and probably stay subbed even during the "content luls" of XIV.


As some people would say:"You don't pay their sub."

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On single player stuff? sure whatever you like.

On an MMO? NO. Hard stop. This is not your playground and we all have to follow the same rules.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

I'm in both groups.

Hardline antimod.
Hate the shite netcode.

We do exist.

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In this base.
But apparently if you say mods are bad you clearly don't want the game to ever improve.