Damage "taxes" deserve serious reconsideration

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Personally I think the BLM core job identity is "top damage no utility" and therefore whatever job design needs to be done (like removing Addle if necessary) for them to maintain that position should happen. So the top three DPS, currently, should be BLM > SAM > MCH. I don't think MCH should out DPS SAM, but it shouldn't be that far behind.

They don't need to be a little better for any arbitrary reason. Fight design just needs to be better. If they cannot consistently do proper fight design, then the "ranged tax" would apply, but only then. It's not because melee vs ranged as a core concept, but because of failure to properly design fights. Which is understandable, FF14 fight design is usually stellar and asking for even better is heinous, but it doesn't change factual ideals, and I refuse to accept a world where BLM should be behind SAM when both play optimally.

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Machinist in 3rd position is a utopia, because he has no mobility constraints, I agree that the mobility tax is much too high, the last hitboxes favor melee too much, but in certain situations it would be totally no brain.

If the machinist, summoner and red mage are 3% behind the melee I would already be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by remiff

Machinist in 3rd position is a utopia, because he has no mobility constraints, I agree that the mobility tax is much too high, the last hitboxes favor melee too much, but in certain situations it would be totally no brain.

If the machinist, summoner and red mage are 3% behind the melee I would already be satisfied.

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Well I mean I think MCH is still more brain than SAM currently. If MCH is going to be behind melee, then MCH needs to have raid damage buffs to support that. Otherwise you'd rather have a better rDPS ranged or just another melee and accept whatever penalty 3 melee would bring and playing MCH feels bad. "Why would I want a MCH when I could just take a NIN for Mug, or MNK for Brotherhood, or RPR for Arcane Circle, or DRG for Battle Litany and Dragon's Eye?"

If MCH is going to have no damage buffs like BLM and SAM, then they need to do damage like a BLM and SAM.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Well I mean I think MCH is still more brain than SAM currently.

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This is a joke, yes?

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

Would you look at that. Well, I'm not surprised. So far, every single person who has defended the current balance and how it's "fine" have 0 raiding experience or 0 raiding experience as a ranged physical or caster DPS. They only play melee and only know melee. I don't think I've seen anyone say that caster DPS or ranged physical should outdps any melee. We've only been asking to close the gap between the roles because the tax is ridiculous.

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Analysis indicates that the posters current favorite job to play seems to be BLM, which makes it all the more confusing.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

This is a joke, yes?

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I don't think it is.
MCH rotation is very rigid but once you grasped the heat management and Drill I, Drill II and Drill III, you get the whole rotation and it plays by itself.
SAM is very braindead at the moment and you can play it freestyle. Due to having charges on almost everything, SAM is incredibly flexible.

Thought let's not forget this important thing:
Difficulty is subjective.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

I don't think it is.
MCH rotation is very rigid but once you grasped the heat management and Drill I, Drill II and Drill III, you get the whole rotation and it plays by itself

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Precisely, it's the 2nd easiest DPS to optimize, the first being SMN

Hold on, lemme call my H&R Block agent.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Precisely, it's the 2nd easiest DPS to optimize, the first being SMN

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No, SAM is even easier than MCH to optimize, but they're both pretty easy. You're often wrong in most of your posts, anyway, so your subjective opinion weighs less now. Enjoy your logical fallacies!

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Originally Posted by Mithron

No, SAM is even easier than MCH to optimize, but they're both pretty easy. You're often wrong in most of your posts, anyway, so your subjective opinion weighs less now. Enjoy your logical fallacies!

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I didn't state an opinion though, I made a statement of fact. Dismissed

I think I should make you all aware that FireMage is in fact god and anything he says automatically becomes truth and fact.