Dev Harassment is concerning

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Originally Posted by thereal_aliceanders

Just curious is there actual proof of death threats? I'm not seeing them. All I'm seeing is some legit pissed off people, doing what they (including myself) do when SE makes an epic mistake, they call them out on the forums.

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Wander onto Twitter or certain subreddits, and you won't have to look far to find one or two. At least, depending on what you define as "death threats". "I wish someone would set the developers on fire so I could stand there and watch them burn to death and not pour water on them" is not an actual threat, per se, but wishing death upon the devs -- even if obviously hyperbole -- still is unsettling and almost certainly doesn't make any dev team member who stumbles across it feel particularly good about community interaction.

Thankfully, the FFXIV community seems somewhat less prone to that extreme of reactions to things they're unhappy about -- and I've seen none of them on this particular forum! -- but "less wishes of death upon the developers than most games will get" doesn't mean "no such posts at all".

The same is true with folks saying that this was a scam and the developers should be thrown in jail for fraud; I don't think any of them are actually serious, but it still taints the discourse and is likely not going to make anyone on the dev team inclined to read a thread containing stuff like that, whether it's only angry hyperbole or not.

I'm like 1000.75% certain the op is bi-polar...

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Originally Posted by rainichan

Well this thread certainly took a turn!

While I don't disagree with the original post- most game devs are overworked and working crunch times is insane for them- the right for people to voice their displeasure is there.

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True. But this is a management problem and not the fault of the devs. So blame the SQEX management for this situation. :)



Cheers

I’m surprised that this thread hasn’t been deleted yet; speaking of which, thank you very much to any moderators who look at this thread and any other instances of harassment across the forums!

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Yes because expecting a modicum of respect and constructive thought/discussion is a difficult concept to grasp, thus we are all designated as white knights for not having a misaligned social compass.

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I’d argue making that post and then proceeding to call everyone who disagrees with anything they say an ingrate, r*word, disrespectful, idiot, etc, is actually a white knight. Which is what OP has done

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

I’d argue making that post and then proceeding to call everyone who disagrees with anything they say an ingrate, r*word, disrespectful, idiot, etc, is actually a white knight. Which is what OP has done

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I would argue that is hypocrisy and double standards more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I would argue that is hypocrisy and double standards more than anything.

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It can be both to be fair, I just woke up from a food nap my apologies. They’re WKing for SQueenix, pulling the whole “devs *slave away* doing this for you all! stop criticizing unless you criticize the way *I* want you too.” (which btw dig a bit further and their way is… phew). While also being hypocritical.

Way I see it, there's probably a lot of people in those offices living on coffee and fumes right now. They're aware of the issue and are actively working on it. They may have some things in their QA process they need to look at. I can only see adding to the stress as a negative thing that will accomplish nothing and could serve to demoralize people who are already probably feeling pretty low as it is. It's not fun to have a bug.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

The thing is, none of us know this wasn't the case
I 100% understand why people jump to this conclusion, as it seems like this is something that should not have happened

But it is possible to thoroughly test something only to have a completely unforeseen thing come along

As far as MMORPGs go, FFXIV is not typically a game prone to major bugs. While its entirely possible that something slipped by that should have been caught with an appropriate amount of testing, there isn't concrete evidence of this.

And even if it is the case, if they properly fix it, give people their right lottery results, and most importantly ensure this isnt a pattern of severe bugs then its not a big deal.

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Most of the people I see jumping to this conclusion are assuming 1) the lottery is running on some general random number generator and 2) that the random number generation is the issue. When they mentioned patterns to the lottery in their system, that made me consider it's probably not some general system and when you make things more complex, more things can break. But people are happy to call the devs idiots and scoff that it's elementary level programming when they haven't even seen the code or what the code has to communicate with. Because that's the other half. The problem may not be in the lottery at all, but what the lottery code is touching. And like you said, you can test everything you can think of and still have something happen when it's in the production environment. We'll probably never get the full extent, but they do try to walk us through the layman's explanation when they have it. They just need time to figure that out.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Wander onto Twitter or certain subreddits, and you won't have to look far to find one or two. At least, depending on what you define as "death threats". "I wish someone would set the developers on fire so I could stand there and watch them burn to death and not pour water on them" is not an actual threat, per se, but wishing death upon the devs -- even if obviously hyperbole -- still is unsettling and almost certainly doesn't make any dev team member who stumbles across it feel particularly good about community interaction.

Thankfully, the FFXIV community seems somewhat less prone to that extreme of reactions to things they're unhappy about -- and I've seen none of them on this particular forum! -- but "less wishes of death upon the developers than most games will get" doesn't mean "no such posts at all".

The same is true with folks saying that this was a scam and the developers should be thrown in jail for fraud; I don't think any of them are actually serious, but it still taints the discourse and is likely not going to make anyone on the dev team inclined to read a thread containing stuff like that, whether it's only angry hyperbole or not.

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Then it seems to me people like the OP should be bringing the subject up on the social media where the transgressions are occurring not here on the forums where I have yet to see the type of vitriol you get on the open web.