The Healer Double Standard

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Pretty sure they just lowered the boss hp and/or increased the damage the various mechanics did to the boss. Hard to gauge when gear increases happen.

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Unless i am wrong, that is actually a nerf so instead of trying and fix an issue that according to you had little to do with dmg and or the overall dificulty of the fight but more to do with not so good restarting mechanics.
The reason behind might be completely different but if the end result is basically a nerf to the instance, so while you might be competely right doesnt it change the fact that it made content easier by lowering/increasing the numbers, which it what is being argued not the reason. Even more so since its quite likely that the new content might get the nerf hammer, disregarding the reason, making it equally as easy as current content (heal wise), which goes agaisnt the idea that the new content will be more difficult to heal.
It would seem the devs have a track of taking the nerf route if content is hard and that might be a problem for the involvement of healers in said content. That is what i am trying to question here.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

As someone who did it when it was in its raw form, Steps of Faith didn't fail because of healers not doing damage. It failed because the mechanics were more influential to damage than anything else.

If you weren't killing adds with cannons, you were going to wipe, because the damage to kill them without cannons meant you weren't plinking the boss. It also meant your npcs were more likely to die to their AoE

If you missed a dragon killer, you were probably going to wipe.

The actual damage going out was minimal, and it was -actually more important to heal- than do healer damage, because if you got a stack of 30 NPCs going, you were adding a huge amount of damage. Each npc may have only been about 50-60 DPS but get 30 of them rolling and they would wreck that boss's face.

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So? why do people respond somenthing that has very little to do with what is being said, i never said anything about healer dmg you are just reading and understanding what you want, hence you are writting somenthing that i did not care about nor that is relevant to the point being made.
You said it was minimal but it would seem that they reduced that. Either way not only you did not answer the question but actually made the point that a nerf to numbers was maybe not needed, yet they did nerfed the numbers.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Complain when you've actually seen whether or not its warranted i.e. release if it is then complain. There 10+ threads of complaints about healer changes instead of one solidified codex to look over and its ALL from the same group. Not a single real solution has been submitted forward because not a one has actual gameplay data. and its always the same complaint they took away my DPS rotation down to two buttons.

Come up with a solution that lets you keep your rotations without making your chosen class the META class for use. I certainly cant think of one and I doubt anyone else can either.

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That is a lie, there are plenty of treads that have proposed solutions and ideas that are viable, that you cant think of one doesnt mean others are the same, dont measure others by your own low standards.

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Originally Posted by reyre

That is a lie, there are plenty of treads that have proposed solutions and ideas that are viable, that you cant think of one doesnt mean others are the same, dont measure others by your own low standards.

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and all of them would have made the class META

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

and all of them would have made the class META

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Wait you are accepting, that there are other treads that are proposing a solution, not only that but you yourself said that you cant think of an idea that is viable and doesnt make the class "META", yet you somehow are able to determine if the ideas that others are proposing will make the class "META". I have to ask, how are you able to determine that?

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

and all of them would have made the class META

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You know what's more important than being META?

Being able to hit more than a 60% active rate in trash content.

It's almost like a meme at this stage. Yeesh.

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Originally Posted by reyre

So? why do people respond somenthing that has very little to do with what is being said, i never said anything about healer dmg you are just reading and understanding what you want, hence you are writting somenthing that i did not care about nor that is relevant to the point being made.
You said it was minimal but it would seem that they reduced that. Either way not only you did not answer the question but actually made the point that a nerf to numbers was maybe not needed, yet they did nerfed the numbers.

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I'm giving you information.

That's all.

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Originally Posted by reyre

Wait you are accepting, that there are other treads that are proposing a solution, not only that but you yourself said that you cant think of an idea that is viable and doesnt make the class "META", yet you somehow are able to determine if the ideas that others are proposing will make the class "META". I have to ask, how are you able to do that?

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Obviously since your reading comprehension is not all there If I can tell that my ideas and propositions would make my preferred healer job Meta that I can obviously tell when someone elses prop[ositions and ideas would do the same for their chosen job.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Obviously since your reading comprehension is not all there If I can tell that my ideas and propositions would make my preferred healer job Meta that I can obviously tell when someone elses prop[ositions and ideas would do the same for their chosen job.

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Oh Ok so, let me get this straight, you are ussing the information that they are giving you plus your understanding of your own class to make the assumption that said changes will make a class "META", but here is the thing you dont have the gameplay data of the changes the players are proposing. Complain when you've actually seen whether or not its warranted. Your words, i think i might have better reading comprehension that you might give me credit for.
Doesnt that sound familiar?

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Complain when you've actually seen whether or not its warranted i.e. release if it is then complain. There 10+ threads of complaints about healer changes instead of one solidified codex to look over and its ALL from the same group. Not a single real solution has been submitted forward because not a one has actual gameplay data. and its always the same complaint they took away my DPS rotation down to two buttons.

Come up with a solution that lets you keep your rotations without making your chosen class the META class for use. I certainly cant think of one and I doubt anyone else can either.

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You could read nearly any of my other comments on various healer threads. I have offered up helpful solutions to the problem.

Basically, healers are only half a job if they don’t have a fully idealized DPS kit. If you were only able to queue for Duties as a healer, and didn’t need to progress through solo-able content via the MSQ, AND the incoming damage was radically increased and unpredictable, then these changes are warranted and will work.

For more ideas, please refer to my other posts.

As many people have said, over and over again, we’ve seen launches of expansions and the aftermath before. We’re not talking without any sort of past experience or precedent to pull from. This has literally happened both expansions. Many of us are capable of looking at the changes and making the rational conclusion that our jobs will no longer be as engaging as they are now. Period. That is fact.

You keep telling me to wait and see, and I keep telling you that I’ve seen it before. So have many other people. I guarantee you a large sect of the healer population is going to be bored AF upon release of Shadowbringers. They may up the damage slightly but that will all change once we gear up. That’s how this game has gone expac after expac.