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Nothing. As far as endgame is concerned, though, the monsters will be balanced with Monk/Warrior/BLM/Dragoon DPS in mind. While Archer might come close and beat PGL/LNC/MRD DPS the same won't happen with Jobs because they are better DD's. Archer's Job on the other hand is Bard which isn't even designed to boost ARC's DPS in comparison to rest of the Jobs, but to support them.

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

What's so special about "Jobs" that everyone is like "They will change the whole game!"?

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Can't believe I'm about to answer this guys OT question after he;

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

No OT please <.<
Make an extra thread for that.

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'd me in another thread.

But, depending on:

Bard
Blunt Shot - Physical damage on enemies around target.
Rallying Voice - Increases the maximum HP and certain magic effects of all party members within range.
Ballad of Magi - Gradually restores MP of all party members within range.
Paeon of War - Gradually restores TP of all party members within range.
Minuet of Rigor - Increases physical and magical accuracy of all party members within range.

that abilities cooldown, and;

Black Mage
Convert - Switches current HP and MP values.
Burst - Deals Lightning damage. Combo Action: Thundara Combo Bonus: Increased damage based on your HP.
Sleepga - Inflicts target and all enemies in range with Sleep.
Flare - Deals Fire damage to nearby enemies. Additional effect: "Damage over time"
Freeze - Deals Ice damage to the target. Additional effect: "Enmity down"

those abilities cooldown,

you may see a ton of BRD, BLM BLM BLM BLM BLM BLM BLM groups. Completely changing the way the game can been played thus far (not by class stacking, but gameplay). Regardless, even if those abilities are moderated to not be super OP (sleep resistant mobs, retardedly long cooldowns), there will still be some complete 'Relearning of the class/jobs' period of time when the new patch hits.

My post wasn't even off topic in that other thread.:confused:

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Have been consistantly turned down for mog battle partys because they are looking for arc only DD... apparently because of the need to avoid AOE attacks.

cant believe its come to this again.. its rediculous lol.

i give up trying to play this game.

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Bad players with blind pride for their standartized achievements and a sense of value in victory through any means will always exist, and in this game, as I hear it was in XI, they'll exclude any class that isn't optimal, any player that dies a couple of times, any character with non optimal gear, if not just dismiss the player altogether if it doesn't have all level 50's.

My personal advise (that I have been following myself), is to find guys that play well and don't hold the characteristics I described above, and in due time complete that content. Some might still need specific class or enhanced equipament, as for instance the moogle fight being a notch up from Ifrit wouldn't stray from it's reason to be if it required gear filled with materia, but definetly in a group of friends there wouldn't be such excluding postures.

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Originally Posted by Alcobrum

LET THE RETARD LEAVE! Why does everything have to be a discussion for a week. he doesnt want to play/does want to play but wishes a fucking huge discusssion. do not feed it anymore and yes i understand i am doing exactly that

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Fascinating for two reasons, First I thought I was the only ass here, and second, I thought I was the only one with common sense here.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

They will change how Archer plays, differentiating itself from the rest of the DPS classes by becoming a buffer.

The rest of the DPS Jobs are still a question mark, but the most obvious current flaw of ARC dominancy over short-range DPS taken care of.

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Unfortunately for you, some ARCs out there are planning to just keep shooting arrows, instead of turning selves into an MP/HP bitch for your party. Shocking, ain't it?

There is really only one problem, and that is as a ranged/backline DPS, Archer shouldn't do nearly as much damage as any melee DPS. That's all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

There is really only one problem, and that is as a ranged/backline DPS, Archer shouldn't do nearly as much damage as any melee DPS. That's all there is to it.

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Neither should Black Mages then...
It's ok if they do more damage than melee. Arrows cost gil. If the economy was actually well thought out, there would be a heavy demand for arrows and that would keep carpenters busy forever. Unfortunately, we got FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Discourage it they have.

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Sorry, but I don't see how they discouraged it.

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Originally Posted by Yonnji

Unfortunately for you, some ARCs out there are planning to just keep shooting arrows, instead of turning selves into an MP/HP bitch for your party. Shocking, ain't it?

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Unfortunately for me? Other Jobs will do more damage and ARC's only saving grace is not being utilized.

They can keep being stubborn, it makes me wonder though- who would be dumb enough to invite a subpar DD with no other redeeming qualities? Unfortunately for people like them, for the reasons stated above I'm not going to do so. Shocking, ain't it?

Actually, it may be more likely that I will be the Bard doing my job properly and getting invited while laughing at the princess Archers who have to beg to be able to participate. So unfortunate for me.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Have been consistantly turned down for mog battle partys because they are looking for arc only DD... apparently because of the need to avoid AOE attacks.

cant believe its come to this again.. its rediculous lol.

i give up trying to play this game.

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Stop crying, make your own party. Only the faction of elitists ask for that. Just yesterday I was in an usual party for Ifrit and we did really good (best runs I did so far).

My advice: stop being a sheep and play the way you want with other people like you.