Please, NEVER nerf RDM!

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Originally Posted by Vorx

Wow.. now i remember why i took a few months off from this forum..

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You should stay away more

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

As a RDM main, I have no problem with them taking a nerfbat to the face.

Wait, you mean 570+ potency every three seconds and more support quality than SMN could ever dream of is perfectly reasonable? Yeah, I'd be amazed if it wasn't nerfed at this point.

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570 every three seconds? Damn that's impressive. But to be sure, gcd does still stand in the way there, so your actually a tad off.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

570 every three seconds? Damn that's impressive. But to be sure, gcd does still stand in the way there, so your actually a tad off.

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More like every 4-5 seconds, since the second spell in dual cast chain starts the GCD again. That also assumes impact/Verfire/Verstone is always available.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

More like every 4-5 seconds, since the second spell in dual cast chain starts the GCD again. That also assumes impact/Verfire/Verstone is always available.

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Yup. Not to mention that while the cast time is 1.83, gcd is slightly longer than that still so you're bound by gcd no matter what.

BLM got no utility, except mana shift, with little to no penalty at all in UI. Not to mention, casting a bliz spell after ressing is leagues faster recovery that af smn or rdm who hit AF or lucid dreaming right before or sometime before dying. we wont look at those though.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

RDM plays almost exactly like 2.0 BLM did. despite the different proc buttons, replace it with fire 1, firestarter. the aoe was a little different, ther was fire 2. then f;are at the end of mp pool. Point is, community wanted BLM to be super complex because it be boring yo. Took the old gameplay out of BLM for a unnecessary jump in complexity. its stupid.

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That is exactly why i started this and got worried in the first place, just what you said. The community is full of people like this and any good class is quickly bombarded by "those types" that hate if their fav class can't do what the new one does. So they ban to gather, recruit to their cause, and eventually get it nerfed so bad its a disgrace to its former self. Sadly its happened time and again..

I don't think anyone is asking for RDM to become more complex, just that less complex jobs shouldn't be so rewarding.

I think red mage just needs some small potency nerfs. I don't think it's fair for them to do just as much damage as summoners and black mages when they're the bard of casters. Drop their dps by 200 or so. Red mage is meant to be the jack of all trades; master of none. I agree that black mage should be the samurai of casters. They should be doing big dick damage that rivals samurai. That's what a black mage is supposed to be about. High damage and no utility. Summoner should be in between.

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Originally Posted by Vorx

That is exactly why i started this and got worried in the first place, just what you said. The community is full of people like this and any good class is quickly bombarded by "those types" that hate if their fav class can't do what the new one does. So they ban to gather, recruit to their cause, and eventually get it nerfed so bad its a disgrace to its former self. Sadly its happened time and again..

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:) yeah its my sentiments as well, I think enochian pretty much killed it for me in 3.0 though later the af timer buff helped alot, it didnt matter by then, i was a BLM main at the end of 2.x, and I just felt it was horribly more complex than it needed to be. I agree its like, why dont you guys argue for more relevant things to makeyour job less tasking like, why enochian even exists anymore? That alone, without need to refresh would push your dps over RDM over time. Besides, nobody played BLM to check the party out for a res or heal, it was all about pure dps. IIRC on a striking dummy, they were doing more dps, its just when you throw mechanics and movement, is where its lacking. So while I feel for them, I also feel like they self defeat themselves. The same point about throwing complex ley lines on BLM is now being thrown at RDM for no reason at all I dont want every DPS to play the same, and if a RD< uses its utility thats "too stronk" its a definite DPS loss anyway and highly taxing on our mp reserves/, we dont have instant umbral ice recovery we have to wait or only cast jolt, or something. maybe the sword combo, to let the mp come back, recovery is bad on both RDM and SMN in comparison.

To shed some light on OP. You are all arguing with a person who hasnt gotten RDM to 70, who has STR melds on his CASTER gear, claims their spells are long,claims their UNENHANCED MELEE COMBO is as strong as a MNKs whole dps, and has consistantly posted in the DF vent thread about "elites" trying to tell people that there is a right way to play RDM. Its very clear he has no idea how the class works or why people are even asking to nerf it or arguing for the others to be buffed. To even suggest TP reduction to spam the melee combo shows he doesnt understand why they cast spells in the first place, as spamming the melee with no mana is no different than an ice mage or darksideless DRK. Have fun.