A big Problem that MAY come up with Stormblood...

if SE needs to add a tank and a healer every expansion we have an issue :/

im sure more tanks and healers will come , but ppl wanted Sam and Rdm the most , putting Sam on tank wasnt a good idea ....however i think it would be a cool to start implementing jobs with dual roles Sam tank / dps , Rdm caster , healer. It would be unfair for other tank /healers jobs (well Sch excluded since it lvls smn too )

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

if SE needs to add a tank and a healer every expansion we have an issue :/

im sure more tanks and healers will come , but ppl wanted Sam and Rdm the most , putting Sam on tank wasnt a good idea ....however i think it would be a cool to start implementing jobs with dual roles Sam tank / dps , Rdm caster , healer. It would be unfair for other tank /healers jobs (well Sch excluded since it lvls smn too )

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So if they add a dps its all good? You knnow why lol wotks so good as a game? They dont only add dd/adc.

Because LoL and FFXIV are the same genre of game of course. Calm down, the sky isn't falling. Salty outrage will be more understandable if we get no new tanks or healers for 5.0.

First of all lol is a good way to add things to the game.
Then i hope we wont get new tanks for 5.0 as well.i will sell dungeon runs for the dpses.in the long run there just wont be as much tanks in 4.0 as there was in 3.0.

How many classes does LoL have compared to XIV? How long has it been out? Can we really consider a MOBA to be that comparable to an MMORPG?

And you might be right, but so far the trend would suggest you are wrong. Total tank/Healer population didn't change in any meaningful way in 3.0, so that can be extrapolated to mean that the dps population likewise won't change too badly.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Can we really consider a MOBA to be that comparable to an MMORPG?

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Oh, it can be. And the most striking difference is: LoL and other MOBAs do not rely on roles. It doesn't need support champions, or tanks, or ADCs, or Assassins or any other archetype. The game works even if you'd remove those, strategies simply adjust accordingly.
Tanks and healers in an MMO however rely on being forced into the game via un-avoidable damage, so not having those makes content unplayable.

That's why it's a somewhat bigger topic in MMOs than in MOBAs. And personally, I do expect healer and tank population to drop - not necessarily because of new DPS, but because the only really hot looking tank seems to be PLD, while the only really great looking healer seems to be AST. The rest just seems "meh".

In regards to the new tank and healers skills, I can agree there. Hopefully they all feel much better than they've been sounding.

I apologize, I don't play MOBAs that often. Thank you for the genuine answer :)

You guys know that there are still players who play 2 roles instead of only 1 role?
I play mostly as AST or MNK, depending on what I feel to play for the current day.

Players will bring their first job up to 70. After it they will bring up their 2nd job up to 70, which can be in another role. At this time, where most players finished their 2nd job (or 2nd role), it will be decided if those who love to play as tank or healers will continue as tank or healer in lv70 content.

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You guys know that there are still players who play 2 roles instead of only 1 role?
I play mostly as AST or MNK, depending on what I feel to play for the current day.

Players will bring their first job up to 70. After it they will bring up their 2nd job up to 70, which can be in another role. At this time, where most players finished their 2nd job (or 2nd role), it will be decided if those who love to play as tank or healers will continue as tank or healer in lv70 content.

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Nah, clearly because there are 2 new dps jobs EVERYONE is going to become a DPS, and only a DPS, because... reasons.

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Oh, it can be. And the most striking difference is: LoL and other MOBAs do not rely on roles. It doesn't need support champions, or tanks, or ADCs, or Assassins or any other archetype. The game works even if you'd remove those, strategies simply adjust accordingly.
Tanks and healers in an MMO however rely on being forced into the game via un-avoidable damage, so not having those makes content unplayable. Tanks and healers in an MMO however rely on being forced into the game via un-avoidable damage, so not having those makes content unplayable.

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Somewhat off-topic, but from a game design perspective Tanks and Healers are in the game for far more reasons then "unavoidable damage". It's primarily to enforce Teamwork within the dungeon environment, but has many other major benefits. For example, Tanking allows the positioning of the boss/monsters to have a major effect on the battle. Without a single Tank, this kind of positioning gets drastically more difficult. Healers allow recovery from both avoidable and unavoidable damage to reduce stress. Tanks and Healers also support different kinds of player fantasies then damage dealers typically do. Oftentimes, playing a Tank gives a leadership role that DPS classes have trouble replicating, while Healer classes fill out a "Support" player fantasy especially well. Games without the "Holy Trinity" have a drastically different feel to them. I've found they often struggle to encourage Teamwork, although your mileage may vary on that regard. Even Guild Wars 2, previously the poster boy for "MMORpgs without the Holy Trinity", ended up redesigning their end game dungeons to basically have Tanks and Healers. That's not to say games without the "Holy Trinity" are bad, it's just a very different design paradigm that comes with its own advantages and pitfalls. The issue is far more complex then just "forced into game via unavoidable damage". Sorry for the off-topic.

Back to on-topic. I do agree that queues are going to be rough for the first few months. There is a lot of exciting new content that might shift players away from Tanks and Healers, but not a whole lot that will bring in new players to the role. For every player who shifts their main to a DPS Job, we probably won't get one to replace them. That's not to say content will become unplayable, far from it, but the first few months will be rough. Once people have leveled their shiny new classes, plenty of people will go back to level tanks/healers. Plus, if the queues are bad enough, I'm sure some people might try Tanks/Healers solely to avoid the queue times.

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hat's why it's a somewhat bigger topic in MMOs than in MOBAs. And personally, I do expect healer and tank population to drop - not necessarily because of new DPS, but because the only really hot looking tank seems to be PLD, while the only really great looking healer seems to be AST. The rest just seems "meh".

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I do mostly agree with this, however. As a Dark Knight main, the changes seem underwhelming. Not necessarily bad, just underwhelming compared to what, for example, Bards are receiving. The rest of the Tank changes vary from fine (Warrior) to excellent (Paladin), but healers seem to be a bit more mixed. SCH got some nice utility coupled with some severe AOE damage nerfs, while the changes to White Mage seem questionable, although hopefully they've been tweaked before release. The whole "Tanks/Healers get balance while DPS gets new Classes" rhetoric in the fan fest was a bit irritating, especially considering the end result, but I can't say I'm surprised. Oh well, as long as we receive new Tanks/Healers in 5.0, it'll be fine. We'll have something to draw players back into the role, at least for a little while.