[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Gearing two jobs at the same time, alternating for each dungeon, for example? My need of gear for the job I'm not currently using is more important to me than your seals and/or desynth.

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Simple solution: Focus one job at a time. I'm sorry, but if I can be bothered to play a job for a specific type of gear I need to desynth, I am needing. The system ain't broken, it's people with mentality that they should have everything without putting in the effort/using what they lot for that is broken.

Edit: And again, why is dungeon gear, that is replaced in a week or two, or less, more important than our long term goals/gear?

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Gearing two jobs at the same time, alternating for each dungeon, for example? My need of gear for the job I'm not currently using is more important to me than your seals and/or desynth.

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Focus on the bold here. You are putting your need above someone else's. Think about it. That's no different than keeping the Need function as is.

Let me turn this around for you:

My need of gear for seals and/or desynth is more important to me than the job you're not currently using.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I consider the greeded gear a nice bonus - I still have to roll against three (or seven) other people to get it. So securing some gear beforehand by picking the job for it, is just careful planning.
You get the need option for the job you're on too - if thats not the job you want gear for, you're obviously playing the wrong job.

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How do you plan for what randomly chose gear is gonna drop from whatever instance you do? If everyone rolled need on everything they could, you'd have a 1 in 7 chance (for amrour. 1 in 13 for weapons) to get a guaranteed piece of loot each time something dropped. If everyone greeded on everything that dropped, you'd have a 1 in 4 chance (or 1 in 8 if it's an 8-man party) to get any piece of gear that dropped. People are severely overestimating how much such a change is gonna affect their seal aquisition.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

How do you plan for what randomly chose gear is gonna drop from whatever instance you do? If everyone rolled need on everything they could, you'd have a 1 in 7 chance (for amrour. 1 in 13 for weapons) to get a guaranteed piece of loot each time something dropped. If everyone greeded on everything that dropped, you'd have a 1 in 4 chance (or 1 in 8 if it's an 8-man party) to get any piece of gear that dropped. People are severely overestimating how much such a change is gonna affect their seal aquisition.

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Are you seriously just gonna repeat what this thread has already been through? Have you even read more than the first page? If nothing drops for our job, cool, no biggie, can run again. If something drops for our job, and we still can't get anything because our lots are low, this is pushing it. We have more a chance of getting stuff by being able to need what may drop, than by having to greed everything.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget tanks and healers, why would they need to be tanking and healing when they have the same chance of their gear on other jobs? Everyone role dps!

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Focus on the bold here. You are putting your need above someone else's. Think about it. That's no different than keeping the Need function as is.

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The bolded part was added deliberately. It's the same thing Settisama said about her needs. We both have our own reasons for why we want the loot that drops, so why should one of those be prioritized over the other?

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Originally Posted by Mholito

The bolded part was added deliberately. It's the same thing Settisama said about her needs. We both have our own reasons for why we want the loot that drops, so why should one of those be prioritized over the other?

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Because I am ON the job I am NEEDING on. I am playing a job to get that specifically, therefore my NEED is greater than your 'need' for what you ain't bothering to play at the time. That's why it works for me, not for you.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

How do you plan for what randomly chose gear is gonna drop from whatever instance you do?

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Simple: I plan what I want gear for and choose the right job for it. I was refering to other needs than seals - as in: my retainers (I'll choose the job they're on) or desynth (I'll choose a job that gets gear for my crafters to take apart - for example a healer when I want to push my weaver).
You're all about "making it fair" and "giving everyone a fair chance" when you fail to realise that everyone HAS a fair chance since everyone can go into every dungeon at every class and get the need-option for gear for that class.

this is a troll thread right

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

this is a troll thread right

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Unfortunately not, it's an argument from another thread that the OP decided was worth another thread. While some things may seem Troll-like, the detail she went into would have been trolling herself if not completely legit.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

Are you seriously just gonna repeat what this thread has already been through? Have you even read more than the first page? If nothing drops for our job, cool, no biggie, can run again. If something drops for our job, and we still can't get anything because our lots are low, this is pushing it. We have more a chance of getting stuff by being able to need what may drop, than by having to greed everything.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget tanks and healers, why would they need to be tanking and healing when they have the same chance of their gear on other jobs? Everyone role dps!

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Are there any counterpoints other than "I don't like change", "Don't take away my seals" and "Don't be so entitled"?
Remember: It's not just you who is no longer rolling need on anything. The vast majority of people you'll run into will also not be needing on anything. Let's look at the numbers again:

"Greed only": 1/4 chance to get stuff in dungeons.
"Need only": 1/7 chance to be able to need on armour + 3/7 chance that nobody will be able to need on armour, in which case 1/4 chance to get it through greed. Total: 1/7 + 3/7 * 1/4 = 1/4 Little to no change in loot gotten from dungeons.