The only difference between the selfless and selfish is the former is a guise of the latter; ergo, calling someone selfish just tells me and any logical person you're no less selfish yourself, and in the case of arguing about terminology, this is undoubtedly so that you're a selfish prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xianghua
Yeah, and we'll still have an inverse leveling curve between 35~50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
request for Exp reduce
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11-27-2011, 02:01 AMDragon
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11-27-2011, 02:34 AMSynfragI was referring to the last link but in the end I decided I'm not going to insult people for defending their opinion regardless of how silly or brilliant it is. I'm simply leaving it at, what you suggest and defend would hurt the community and there is no sensible counter point to that no matter how hard you try. This thread alone speaks for that since the majority is certainly ruling in favor of how it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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11-27-2011, 06:31 AMJynxUnless the issue with Powerleveling is adressed the ammount of exp to rank up is inconsequential, people not even playing the game will have a massive advantage over those who want to actually play the whole game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
I guess my point is that the community may not always know what is best for them "I'm not excluding myself from this either"Quote:
Originally Posted by Synfrag
If I ask a child if he wants to eat candy everyday, or eat his healthy food everyday and then get his desert. I think you can figure out what the child will pick. Even in the case of adults we usually pick the "Easier and more "Pleasing" route without thinking of the long term consequences.
It's the developers job to do that really, they need to be able to keep us playing this game for as long as possible. So the community may cry out for faster and faster exp but I believe that in the end we will always have some form of grind in the game to keep us in it.
The current grind is Materia wether people want to beleive it or not it's the defacto way to improve your character once you hit the level cap, a fully materiad player is leaps and bounds better than a vanilla rank 50. It seems to be a matter of visibillity for some, it's less noticable when it's not something you can gague with a number like the class levels.
I guess in the long and short of it when you say what I suggest is going to hurt the community...I guess I have to ask.
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11-27-2011, 06:59 AMSephrickReally depends on how they were raised.Quote:
If I ask a child if he wants to eat candy everyday, or eat his healthy food everyday and then get his desert. I think you can figure out what the child will pick. Even in the case of adults we usually pick the "Easier and more "Pleasing" route without thinking of the long term consequences.
I have the perfect example; my two aunts. One of them has children who only eat chocolate. The other has sons of the same age group who make positive health choices even when their mothers aren't around. It all comes back to how they were raised and personal choices.
This has been my point all along. The current rate of exp allows for a much more personal "journey."Quote:
The current grind is Materia wether people want to beleive it or not it's the defacto way to improve your character once you hit the level cap, a fully materiad player is leaps and bounds better than a vanilla rank 50. It seems to be a matter of visibillity for some, it's less noticable when it's not something you can gague with a number like the class levels.
A player can rush a single class to 50 and play events with friends. Or someone can take their time to level multiple classes to 50 and then multiple materia on gear. As long as multi-materia multi 50 > multi 50 > multi-materia single 50 > single materia all should be right in the world.
The current rate of exp will take a casual player just short of three months. If someone is going to take the time to have the best character possible before stepping foot in an event (including crafts and DoLs) it could take years.
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11-27-2011, 12:27 PMNuru
I think EXP is fine the way it is actually, so many tweaks have happened and I believe they have either nailed the sweet spot or are super close to that point. Don't fix shit that isn't broken IMO.
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11-27-2011, 12:54 PMJynx
Personally the exp rate is fine it's the PLing that's the issue it breaks any semblance of balance that could have ever existed.
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11-27-2011, 12:58 PMNuruI think PLing should just go back to how it was in FFXI, outside the party and providing heals. A PL in FFXI wasn't even too reliable since they couldn't see the HP of every member in the party, so it had its ups and downs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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11-27-2011, 02:00 PMIleanBalance between what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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11-27-2011, 02:14 PMSephrickYou conveniently forget how a stoneskinned PL could tank for a party of DDs. "Don't voke off the PL" was practically a macro phrase for people in XI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
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11-27-2011, 03:54 PMJynxWhat are you even trying to say? "semblance of what could have existed" means that if it ever did exist it's broken now. Wether or not it existed is of no relevance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilean
Power leveling as is will do little but make the game reward people who can have a outside player do all the work for them.
Of course you could have a unlimited tank but for the most part that still meant for a only slightly faster rate of exp. It's when the PL can just flat out kill the monsters for you that the issue arises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick