FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Will Red Mage be just like astrologian? A fusion between SMN & Blm.

soo, honestly,I didnt read all of the thread so dont know if someone stated something like this before^^.
First, - and I can be really wrong with this one- but i think i remember correctly, that yoshi said something, even bevore heavensward came out, in some Interview on possible new jobs for the hw expansion, that if someday redmage would come, it wouldnt be in a way it was used to ( again, it was a long time ago and i dont have the exact statement as evidence or something so I may be wrong), so if the redmage was some kind of jack of all trades, or a mix of white and blackmage, i doubt that it would be something like that again
second, my opinion on how the redmage would fit in is somesort of spellfencer, simply a melee dd with a rapier or maybe even a sword , who could buff the party with enspells ( and heard something like a significant move " double cast/ spell, remember that spell too, so you could use that to use 2 enspells at the same time once in a while).
so in the end we may got 2 melees with higher dmg , 2 melees 2 with a bit less dmg and more support ( for that , ninja would be pushed even further into the support role it already has the most of the current melee dds and drg would be pushed more into higher dmg), 2 magic ranges and 2 physical ranges with support
I dont know how you all would think of this idea but I think this fits great and would love to see this happening :3
Edit: and lorewise, I read something similiar already in this thread, dont remember who exactly , but it could really be something like if they're more of the melee typs of fighting in ala mhigo, like monk ( and maybe samu :D) then they could've said something like " why the hell are you standing there behind us, casting some fancy stuff, were in a bloddy war, take this sword and get your ass to the front , defending our country with your life/ body! " :D

Yup, something like that. Also Double Cast is basically already there. At least i remember Bard and Ninja have a skill to let the next weaponskill hit twice. And for me thats basically the same.
I am really curious how things will be revealed on 24. if they are , that is ^^

I would have said more like a fusion of SMN/BRD/NIN. A support-esque job that juggles magic damage and simple melee.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I would have said more like a fusion of SMN/BRD/NIN. A support-esque job that juggles magic damage and simple melee.

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At this point I'm still fairly confident that's what Rdm is going to be.

I know i am not going to be popular for saying this, but i honestly think red mage might get regulated into the same role as FFXI, as healer. I always seen red mage as a to good of a opportunity for the dev team to make a different kind of healer than AST/SCH/WHM and all healers do decent dmg to begin with so adding rdm as healer would make the most sense in a healer/dmg/support role maybe with a focus on debuffs and buffs like silence/paralyze/enspells/levitate(floating platform from xande/gubal library hard's final fight) etc.

The biggest difference is that it will be a melee healer that can also nuke cause of it's ability to either have its magic and sword attacks have a passive ability to make them have seperate global cooldowns so you could weave abilities inbetween each other sword>heal>sword>black magic>sword>heal>sword>debuff>etc. and have ability like double cast and triple cast to make abilities be more powerful so you would get lower level versions of abilities, but a 30 second double cast recast would allow you to make a more powerful tier of a heal or nuke or debuff every so often so cure 1 becomes cure 2 with double cast and cure 3 with triple cast.

Overall i am not saying red mage being a healer would be the best route overall, cause i do enjoy the idea of making a mystic knight tank for example, except dark knight is kinda already the magic absorbing designated tank anyways, it just mean another tank has similar role that also has to manage mp like dark knight, which is redundant mechanically speaking when breaking down the ideas for both classes.

I overall seeing the dev team choosing either magic dps melee or flat out MELEE healer which fill a niche as a new type of healer where as you seen with AST they kinda game developed themself into a creative corner with how different healers can be, so red mage could easily fit the bill as a new type instead adding to the already bloated dps list that want to fill the same spots in a party. It just makes the most sense from their perspective.

I want a Blood tank and dps job rolled into one. Basically whenever you do damage you get a shield for the same amount. It doesn't add or stack with more damage. One shield and new shields don't overwrite. So it's really strong, but you have to balance that with either sch/ast shields as well as the hate gain mechanic. So Mp is needed for both damage, shielding and hate gain.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I would have said more like a fusion of SMN/BRD/NIN. A support-esque job that juggles magic damage and simple melee.

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I wouldn't be surprised if this is accurate. Give me a sword and spells and I'll be fine.

I'd be rather disappointed if they wouldn't make their special mechanic the doublecast one. For me that's what makes Red Mage a Red Mage, aside being able to yield lesser White and Black Magic with their own little spells in the mix.

I mean they could represent the black mage part of the job by using 3 stances like En-Fire (High attack - high mp cost), En-Ice (High Defence - mp regen) and En-Thunder (High Mind - speed up). I'm not sure why but for the rest of the design, I feel like it'll be a spellblade mixed into the design like elemental enchanted blade attacks and some freaky status ailments like oil.

But I guess we'll find out more details in about a week?

I personally believe that Red Mage could fit well in any of the roles in this game.
But then, I think....

Swap Paladin's sword with a rapier.
Swap his shield with a buckler, or even remove it entirely.

Replace the following skills with black magic spells.
Shield Lob > Red Fire (Ranged fire spell that generates minor threat for mob pulling.)
Shield Bash > Red Thunder (Stun, maybe with a weak DoT, and in a short cooldown like WAR's and DRK's stun.)
Shield Swipe > Red Ice (Slow/Heavy to reduce enemies attack speed with a proc for a short duration, similar to reprisal.)

Replace the following cooldowns with white magic instant cooldowns.
Fight or Flight > Saber (Increases the damage you deal for a decent duration.)
Rampart > Fog (Envelops your body in mist, reducing incoming damage by 20%)
Sentinel > Protera (Greatly Increases your defense for a short duration, reducing incoming damage by 40%)
Bulwark > Blink (Makes multiple fading copies of yourself to confuse your enemies, increasing your evasion rate for some balanced value just so it isn't broken, 20%~40%, idk.)
Sheltron > Invis (You become invisible for 10 seconds, or until any foe attack you allowing you to ensure a parry on the blow that removed your invisibility.)
Hallowed Ground > NullAll (Become invulnerable for a short duration.)

Replace the utility Paladin has, with other stuff to improve it's magical identity.
Spirits Within > Dia (Unaspected strong OGCD damage, similar to BLM's Scathe, but stronger.)
Cover > Wall (Puts a magic shield on a party member, similar to BLM's Apocatastasis, which you can't use on yourself.)
Clemency > Red Cure (Same effect, and still MP costly)
Divine Veil > Red Medica (A weaker AoE healing spell, making Red Mage a unique tank being the only one with an Costly AoE heal.)
Flash > Red Holy (No additional effect, but deals low potency damage, like DRK's and WAR's AoE threat generator.)
Circle of Scorn > Red Flare (No additional effect, but has a decent cooldown and is a decent burst spell, similar to WAR's Decimate. which you could also potentially Double cast.)
Tempered Will > Double Cast (Makes the next spell hit twice, the second hit being 50% weaker. An example of why would be so a Doublecast Heal/Clemency would instead of healing the user half of the HP restored, it would give half of the amount healed to the actual target instead. Evidently this would have a pretty long cooldown.)

Change the name of the sword combos for more Red Mage themed names, aka Wasp Sting, Shining Strike, Burning Blade, Red Lotus Blade, Viper Bite, Vorpal Blade, Evisceration, Death Blossom...
Give the sword combos flashy animations, with magic hustling out of your attacks, and such.

And there you have, a Red Mage tank with Black and White magic spells, which in my honest opinion stays pretty loyal to Red Mage's roots in previous games.